Biting All The Apples
Biting All The Apples is an unhinged bookclub-ish conversation that channels the sassy wisdom of long dead victorian feminists to analyze the puritanical influences still messing with our world today. We start off with the 1895 best seller "The Woman's Bible" by Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Each week we cover their 19th century feminist analysis of a book in the bible and ponder, laugh, and cry over the similarities to the issues of today.
This is a great listen for anyone interested in the patriarchal influence in religion, politics, and social order. As well as anyone that is GenX or any generation, anyone that likes comedy, books, history, and thinkin.
Biting All The Apples
Welcome To The Machine, Please (un)Repress Yourself: The Great Cosmic Mother pt 4
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America loves the word “freedom,” so why do so many of us feel spiritually starved, politically cornered, and weirdly isolated from our own bodies? We pull a thread from The Great Cosmic Mother and it turns into a whole tapestry: patriarchal religion doesn’t just shape private belief, it builds the rules of the modern world. When the sacred gets split from the lived, you end up with what the book calls the American split, a culture that can offer abundance and ideology but not wholeness, ecstasy, or a shared vision worth living for.
We walk through the historical tension that still haunts US politics: Puritan Christianity feeding fundamentalism and Protestant capitalism, while many founders leaned Deist and helped birth secular humanism. That gap helps explain why “Judeo-Christian nation” rhetoric keeps resurfacing, and why people who aren’t religious still live inside religious structures. We also dig into the book’s critique of the all-male divine family, the virgin birth story, and how women’s unpaid labor, sexuality, and guilt get converted into fuel for institutions that claim to speak for God.
Then we hit the hardest link: control female reproduction and you can control the workforce. We talk capitalism, labor rights, reproductive autonomy, and what it means to live inside a machine that tries to turn humans into mechanisms.
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Here's some stuff we talked about:
"One nation under god" - added to the pledge of allegiance in 1954:
https://www.history.com/articles/pledge-allegiance-under-god-schools
"In God We Trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864 during the Civil War. It was added to paper currency much later, with the first bills entering circulation in 1957 following a 1955 law requiring it on all money. The phrase was added to reflect religious sentiment, with paper, and to distinguish the U.S. from "godless" communism during the Cold War:
https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1951-2000/The-legislation-placing-In-God-We-Trust-on-national-currency/
And here's Thomas Jefferson's Bible:
https://americanhistory.si.edu/jeffersonbible/#1
Paine’s Anti-Slavery Legacy:
https://thomaspaine.org/resources-essays/paines-anti-slavery-legacy/
Little background on the Comstock laws that affected women's access to reproductive information and birth control: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-anthony-comstocks-chastity-laws/
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Edited by Rie Daisies at Nighttime Girlfriend Studio
Music: ‘Shifting pt. 2 (instrumental)’ by Rie Daisies
Executive Producer Kate ML Rogers
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Rumble Opener And Welcome
SPEAKER_02Let's get running rumble. Live from the lawn of the White House. Yes. WWE.
SPEAKER_00America.
SPEAKER_02America. Drop your stocks and grab your cocks. It's biting all the apples. We're ladies.
SPEAKER_01We're ladies, and we're gonna sit down.
SPEAKER_02I have a decorum. Don't sit under the apple tree with anyone else but me and JV. Yes. Hi, hello, and welcome to Biting All the Apples, the podcast where the power of 10,000 aunties meets 10,000 book clubs in a small Midwestern basement.
SPEAKER_01I'm Sarah Kay, and I'm Joanna V. And we are biting all the apples. All of them. That's right. We've averted nuclear war another day, so we are going to wrap up our thoughts, quote offs, and book-inspired tangents honoring the 1987 feminist classic The Great Cosmic Mother by Monica Zhux and Barbara Moore.
SPEAKER_02Awesome ladies. Mad respect. So um little recap. We chose this book to kick off season two because it challenges some core narratives that many Americans, Westerners, and Gen Xers like us have absorbed through education and culture and general bullshit. Living in the world. Just living. You know, things we may have just taken as like that's the way things are. And if there's one thing this podcast is about, it's about looking at the way things are and saying, wait, really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because wait,
Why This Book Shatters Assumptions
SPEAKER_01really? The great cosmic mothers smashes narratives like the idea that monotheistic male-dominated religions are the only or natural form of spirituality. This book makes the case that goddess worship and earth-centered spirituality were actually the original human religions.
SPEAKER_02And they make a great case for it. And maybe you picked up the idea along the way somewhere that spirituality is merely a private, intellectual, or non-political matter. Oh no, come on.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's not. It's not. Knock it off.
SPEAKER_02Well, just stop it. This is our podcast called Stop It.
SPEAKER_01This is called Stop It. Listen to us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, this text asserts that the spiritual, personal, and political are combined. I think women get this so much more than men, though, particularly because our bodies are legislated. So it's not like even possible to be like, I'm not political, because it's like, well, you as a woman are used for political fights and your freedom is up for debate regularly. So you better get it. Get political.
SPEAKER_01The other cultural assumption that the great cosmic mother challenges is the idea that human history has been a steady march of progress. This book is like, hey, ew, wait a minute. That's actually not how things always go. And what actually happened was that a destructive patriarchal culture demolished a respectful, ecological, egalitarian, goddess-centered culture. And that is where we're picking up for this lively, ooh, shall we say, spirit chat about the final section of this book, section four, patriarchal culture and religion.
SPEAKER_02Yes. And if you listened last week, you may already know how blown away we were by the this section of the book. Um, because I would say that we were quite effusive. Ooh, to say the least. Right. Like we need everyone to drop what they are doing and read section four of this book.
SPEAKER_01Can you hear me? We're serious.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Uh, but correction. We need everyone to listen to this podcast and then stop what they are doing and also read the book and make someone else read it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then have them make so this is a pyramid. This is a multi-level marketing podcast.
SPEAKER_01And what you get?
SPEAKER_02Freedom. Right. It's called multi-level feminizing feministism. I love it. Yeah. It's we're working out some of the we're trying to patent. So last week we talked about the first part of section four. It sets up the big shift from earth-centered, female-centered, also called gynocentric spirituality, to the worship of a cruel, jealous male god. I don't like him. I don't like him.
SPEAKER_01Advancements in agriculture and metallurgy changed how men participated in these cultures. That led them to want more stuff. More stuff to own and to conquer. These changes meant that they needed a new male god that wasn't obliged to the earth or more importantly, no longer obliged to honoring women as life givers. That is the key. Women became a tool to be used. They had to make up a new dude god to make all of this agreeable. The cost for believing, you know, it's just our divine, innate human spirituality, creativity, and connectedness, nothing else. That's fine.
SPEAKER_02Everything we're doing great. Yeah. So get ready. Today we are getting into the nittiest of gritties. Okay. The last few chapters where you and more outline the American split and subsequent spiritual deflation and the isolating effects of this on men and women in everyday life and in our interactions, in our work, everything and other stuff, everything. Keep listening. It is so mind-blowing that we regret ever calling something mind-blowing before.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_02I take it all back. Even that total eclipse. Well, actually, sorry, that is not a good example. No, no, no. Terrible example.
SPEAKER_01So I just saw my memories, and that is still. That's wrong. I'll still do that. I'll put it up there though.
SPEAKER_02It's pretty good. Ju and Moore make such a strong case, we'd even call it irrefutable. We'll do our best to convey some of the most affecting passages. But just know that this is only a sliver, a small apple slice, if you will. Oh much bigger apple. Yes.
SPEAKER_01Yes. And finally, we can't stress this enough. Even if you are not religious, your life is directly affected by religion. And that is exactly what the great cosmic mother outlines in the most profound and poetic way. It is so much more than a book about the goddess. It is about the obliteration of earth-centered spirituality and the rise of monotheistic male religion, the same religious structure that dictates how the modern industrialized material world operates and oppresses to this day. To this day, so bad.
SPEAKER_02So we're like so bad. So bad. Question for you. Is that heavy enough? You're oppressed. Hi. Hi. How's it going? Yeah, don't worry. We'll discuss. We'll make it fun. But first, we'll give you a sec to think
Feminist Backlash And Why It Matters
SPEAKER_02about your oppression during this little musical break. You know what? That was such a powerful opener that I'm like, how do we even like get in there? We gotta get into the book. We gotta bite into it.
SPEAKER_01I gotta I gotta quote. You got a quote? We would like to read you this whole book.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so we're gonna read you this whole book, block off 20 hours, I'm kidding. And join the revolution. We are more convinced than ever. Just look at what's going on in the world that all of this ties back to this patriarchal religion. All of it. Religion. All of it. Stuff. It's in the savory of our souls.
SPEAKER_01Like when you read this, I don't know about you, but blood pressure raises. Like I'm just like, and this I think I it again, I probably sound like the same person when we did the woman's Bible, but like 1987. Like what have we been doing? I mean, I was in seventh grade.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad you asked because there was a giant feminist backlash during that time. And if you look, it is so nuts to think about. So I think about like the 90s and the early 2000s. You know, we talked about like second wave, and there was like more acceptance of like the queer community and like girl power, sexuality. However, huge backlash. I just got two words for you limp biscuit. Okay. Remember that era? Just like creepy dude era, girls gone wild, all of that. That happened after, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you're right. That was a creepy dude era.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Limp biscuit. We're back. We actually are in a limp biscuit era, and that's why books like these vital are so vital.
SPEAKER_01These are vital. This should not be sitting on a shelf anywhere. No, someone needs to be reading it. Should always be, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Open. ABR. Always be reading. Oh, I love that. A BM ABR Girl. ABR. So even though I just said we're gonna get so we're gonna get into this book because we read the first couple chapters, we're talking about this last section, and we are right at the part where, so they already we told you last week how they're like, now we need a man god that we can tell everybody that's where life comes from. How do we get it? And we'll write it in a book, so then there'll be like this book that only certain authority figures can read. Yes. I mean, the whole thing. So they externalized everything that was inherently internally ours.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and they basically took away our life-giving goddess powers and made it disgusting.
SPEAKER_02They made it disgusting. That's the short version. That's it. But what's the the craziest thing? That's what Dwayne and I are talking about, is people yeah, because America, even though we're like, oh, there are like the evangelicals are very prominent, but for the most part, there's a lot of people that aren't particularly religious. No. It is hard to get people to care because I'm like, whether you like it or not, this religion spirituality stuff is tied to the material world, it is tied to capitalism, is tied to industry. Yeah. That this is the mechanism. The machine. It is the machine, and that is actually the title of one of the chapters. So this first chapter, it's actually the first chapter we're discussing today. It's like the third chapter in the section. Whatever. You'll get it. Show notes.
The American Split In Plain Terms
SPEAKER_02Check them out. Check them out. It's called The American Split. And Joanna has been sitting here like, let me just read this.
SPEAKER_01Come on, they need to know about the split. Okay. Because you need to know what it is. The American split in raw terms is this nominal freedom without real life ecstasy or nominal epiphany without real life freedom. Such a split is always the result when life is fed into the patriarchal, dualistic grinding machine, which turns out globs of white fat or pours runnels of blood, which turns out tasteless hamburger, or the red screams of the butchered, which grinds out always one disconnected fragment or another, but never the whole feast. Never holism. Never the living, gratified flesh of true spiritual vision. Oh, there that's it. There you go. Yeah. It's like you can have all this. You can have all the excess. You can have all the burgers you want. You can have all this. But it'll never it'll never fulfill you.
SPEAKER_02You can have the whole meal.
SPEAKER_01You'll never be fulfilled.
SPEAKER_02Also, you need more than a meal to live.
SPEAKER_01It's true. You need ecstasy. You need like Molly?
SPEAKER_00No. Oh, okay. Sorry. Oh, you're you're like, no, like true. True internal ecstasy and happiness.
SPEAKER_02You and Moore would be like, read the book.
SPEAKER_01Read the book.
SPEAKER_02They're like, your drug joke.
SPEAKER_01Not funny.
SPEAKER_02She's like, that's part of the machine. Yeah. You bring it. Yeah. So the American split, that's when this chapter. So she's bringing she, I say more, it's two writers. They're bringing us to America, and America taking this religion to go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it they had already now really so But they had to do their own thing. Right. So it really starts Rome, right? And then we have Europe that's it's spread Christianity spread really far, fast. All of those religions. Because all the leaders took it. Yeah. Because they're like, this is very useful. Yeah. What I didn't know was that most of our founding fathers did not want a part of that. They came here to look for a fresh perspective, open land, back to nature. They felt well, at least for them. Like I'm still.
SPEAKER_02Their version of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_01They were and she even says at least for uh white white men.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like they wanted it all. They wanted all that thing for white men. I don't know about the women. They were like, well, actually, that woman thing gotta use.
SPEAKER_02Well, let me read this before you read the Founding Fathers thing. Americans are
Puritans, Founders, And Secular Humanism
SPEAKER_02free. You're like, can you read? I don't know. Americans are frequently told, especially with the resurgence of television evangelicalism and fundamentalist politicians, that America is a Judeo-Christian nation founded on biblical principles. Such a statement easily passes by all those Americans who don't know much about our own history. And most of us don't. We don't, because by design. Yeah, totally by design. The English Puritans who first arrived to colonize America were highly biblical people. So what I know about the Puritans, remember I did the little special Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote a story about the Puritans selling or celebrating Christmas on the Mayflower. Yes. And it is entirely inaccurate because the Puritans were actually nutters. And like they're like, you do not sell, you don't give gifts, you don't celebrate Christmas. They were they focused on the resurrection. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think they're that they're yeah. This Puritan ethos worked its way into fundamentalist belief and Protestant capitalism in general, a profound conviction that the political establishment of America and later its political economic hegemony over the entire hemisphere, perhaps someday of the entire world, were manifestations of God's will and divinely mandated national destiny. Puritans. I know. Yeah. I don't think that was that. I'm sorry, tangent. Just read the founding fathers thing. This is what we need to. This is I'm like, everybody's like, who cares? Puritans.
SPEAKER_01Well, it w but it to think about our founding, we knew that it was religion, right? We've always been told what that why did they come? They wanted what? Religious freedom, right? Right. That's what we were told. We were told that.
SPEAKER_02And then if you look at modern politics, you're like, wait, wait, you've always told us You've always told us this thing, and now you're saying this thing.
SPEAKER_01Now you're saying the Catholics can't come to the prayer meeting. So weird. So what the ladies say is that when they came religious, was religion was pretty much Puritan religious power was broken in 1800 by the second major influence on American life, the secular power. And who and what was the secular power? It was the Founding Fathers. Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams, James Madison, Ben Franklin, et al. Keep going. The men who wrote the documents and espoused the ideas leading to the break with Britain and the American Revolution, the men who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and in general established the legal, political, ideological matrix that became American government and American ideals of freedom and independence and thought of behavior were not Christian. They were deists. Deism was an eighteenth-century rationalist philosophy emerging from European enlightenment. Deists understood God to be the principle of organization and intelligence in the universe. And that's kind of where I am. I'm with the founding fathers. We are of the universe, right? We are the universe. And that is what they believed.
SPEAKER_02Deists considered themselves to be decent and spiritually devoted men, but when they said God, they referred to cosmic law, not the God of the Judeo-Christian Bible. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So One Nation under God, all that. Did those guys even write one nation? They added God like in the 40s or something. I was going to say, I'm like, I know my history. So and some deists, including the American deists, spent a good amount of time and energy criticizing and refuting the superstitions. I always call Christianity superstitious, dogmas and rituals of the organized Christian churches, both Catholic and Protestant. Isn't that insane? Right. Did you know that? I could read everybody this whole chapter. I know. I would be just the taster.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no. This this quote is my favorite. Okay. Okay. I gotta do this. So the Christian religions say there's original sin. That's our fault because we're Eve, right? And they believe in salvation through faith. Like you, if you're good, you will be saved. If you're if you don't believe, you won't go, right? But instead, our founding fathers, the deist, espoused the 18th century philosophy that defined human beings as one, essentially good, and two, capable of progress through knowledge, reason, justice, and liberty. Deists denied the dogmas of the virgin birth, the divinity of Christ, the concept of heaven and hell, and all ideas of damnation and redemption. Deism was in fact the origin of what is now called secular humanism. And it was the practicing philosophy of the men who conducted and won the American Revolution and became the founding fathers of the American government. And we're just tossing them to the wind? Is that what we're doing? And they invoke them all the time.
SPEAKER_02It makes me they're just shaking in their graves. The first American secular humanists, the founding fathers. By the way, I I choke on those words. I hate that phrase. The founding fathers. Where I'm like, we don't need to call, you can just call them the founders.
SPEAKER_01By the way, the women were probably right there.
SPEAKER_02Look at Caesar Schaff as a loser now. Exactly. The founding fathers. The founding fathers, and in particular, Payne, Jefferson, and Madison saw this problem very clearly because they were children as well as students of European history. They were also children and students of American colonial history and had observed how quickly the old inquisitional mind had flared up in the New World, in the habits of the Puritan. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were their attempts to save America from becoming one more God-centered tyranny ruled by holy men with a terrible bloodlust.
SPEAKER_01We failed. That's it. The experiment failed. I love this because I did not know Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense, right? I will refer to Hamilton all the time because the lady says, I read Thomas Paine. But he spent a good part of his adult life fighting the Bible, its God, and its ideas. This is what he said about it. Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. Dang, pain is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind. And for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. Except slavery. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Why do I always gotta why do they I don't know it was pain? I know that Jefferson Madison was quite butt. Oh Lord.
SPEAKER_01First of all, they they were all like scoundrels.
SPEAKER_02They're totally I love scoundrels. Um and uh listeners, in case we didn't mention this before, Thomas Jefferson took the Bible and cut it up and created his own, and it's available in the Library of Congress.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. He was like, This ain't this is the Bible. These are the nice things.
SPEAKER_02All of the bloviating we hear from our modern politicians. Bloviating. Do you like that? Thank you. That just came to me. Must have been the mints. It's the mints. So I mean obviously Joanne and I are very locked into this. This is like our wheelhouse. Since we spent, I mean, the la we spent like almost 30 episodes just going through, combing through where we're I mean, Elizabeth Katie Stanton spent a lifetime for women's rights, for suffrage. She, you know, was an abolitionist. At the end of her life, what was her project? Trying to get people to realize the Bible is the problem. That's what that's the conclusion she came to. And I think you ever think about how downplayed that is? If you had another professional, like if you had a man that spent like 50 fucking years publicly. That was like 50 years publicly, and at the very end they were they were like, I've come, you know, actually this. But because she was a woman, they're just like, whatever.
SPEAKER_01Whatever. Dainty woman. This is if you're listening to this, you're looking for answers, I'm certain, because that's I mean, that's why we're baiting all the apples. Because we are also looking for answers. How did we get here? Well, my goodness, if you want to talk about, we said in the beginning we avoided nuclear war for the other day. But even it ties to like Nazi Germany saying, you know, Hitler was led by a he was a crazed necrophiliac um who proclaimed he was finishing the work of the Lord, a work of mass extermination. We see contemporary Iran, 1987. Iran, where are we right now? Ruled by holy men who are executing seven-year-old children and lining their streets with the hung bodies of traitors against God. It is never to God, but to men's ideas of God and to the swollen egos of God's self-appointed policemen on earth that millions and millions of human beings have been torturously sacrificed in all the God-centered societies of the past 4,000 years of the patriarchal earth.
SPEAKER_02It's just the truth. It's just unlike the simple truth. We have death stats that are directly related to this bullshit. Yes. And wrapping up this chapter a little bit is the effects of this. That when we were talking about how
Why Americans Crave Communal Ecstasy
SPEAKER_02they replaced a very connectedness of between people and the earth and our life forms, and where in you're most connected to people when you respect where life comes from, which is the female body. And then even when they wrap up this chapter talking about and like what are the effects of this? And I love this is just again a little taste. For generations, many people have felt they stood in a very dry, pragmatic wasteland, secular America, with no genuine tradition of spiritual celebration, of communal epiphany. Americans long for this more than they know. The Ursatz results are orgies of patriotism and game fever at parades and in football stadiums. But never quite the real thing, at least not as in a communal experience. I never even thought about that. Like that, so we do seek that out. Yes. And but we've been told because when they took, when they created the you know, angry male god, the jealous god, they took it as a separate thing that is like above us that we have to like die to achieve. Yeah instead of being like you have this here, and it does create this isolation and no there's no like national spirituality. And that may cheese somebody out to say like spirituality, but if you think about it, if I were to ask any American, like, where do you think this country, like what's our thing? Where are we going?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, where's our progress?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, or not even progress, but like what's our like motivation? What's what drives like America? If someone's like, what's our vision? We don't have like a national vision. We do not. We just work for the man. People are just like, well, it's money. I'll work or whatever. But there's no like I mean, I don't know what other countries are doing, but I know that I read Norway is like all up to like 90% renewable energy, the entire country. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, so they probably had a national vision, like, hey, we should take care of each other. We should take care of each other and use like our smarts for the greater good instead of sending Elon to Mars. Yeah. Or, you know. Anyone. So like, or helping one another. And actually, even less so like I almost, you know, there was like America Pride before, but now you're like, I don't even what is the goal to get Donald Trump or Yeah, because we're just helping everybody that has more money than us. There is no um, and like and while you're looking, I'll read this here. And this is the final word. So it's a great chapter talking about how America split and took it this almost to like a new level. Because it always seemed kind of like we look at the Western world, and I know some of the, at least from American point of view, like the Muslim countries were always like, look at them, and they're so like repressive to women. Like meanwhile, here in America. But the cost they they really talk about here, because things weren't, I mean, they were pretty bad in the 80s, but they weren't like I mean, now it's so crazy. But the cost is this idea that we're all isolated, we're not connected to anything, and Americans left their home country.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now we have a God. We have got daddy God in the sky, miraculous birth, all of these things. So I do good here, I get my riches when I'm dead, right? But good is defined by these men that are in charge. Yes. Yeah. You're born with sin, right? So like you're always just trying to get rid of the sin. The Christian dream has already been written from beginning to end. And it says that only one life was worth living, and it's already been lived, and it was his.
SPEAKER_02Damn.
SPEAKER_01The best believers can hope for is an imitation of Christ. Christianity promises to save the human soul, but in fact, Christianity exists by saving humans from the experience of our own souls. That got me. That gets me. If we will forfeit our own mystical journeys through the world, if we will give up the dangerous adventure of discovering and creating our own consciousness in evolution, Christianity will give us in return a script about Jesus. And this is the only choice Christian ontology offers. The tragedy of Christianity is that it has kept untold millions of human beings from sinning, i.e., from knowing their own souls. I love that. For it is life that Christianity promises salvation from, from life directly experienced for the first time, without the stale safeguards and blinders of the prefabricated script.
SPEAKER_02What else do you need to know?
SPEAKER_01Right? And I'm excited by this. I are you excited by I this I love reading.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're like, I don't know why you're listening to this podcast. Just get the book.
SPEAKER_01Um this The Divine, I don't
Women Fuel The Church Machine
SPEAKER_01know why they named it that. I don't even feel like reading it.
SPEAKER_02But I know So the next chapter is called The Divine Homosexual Family, and Joanna and I joke, we're like, this is the most 80s part of the whole. But because I don't when they say homosexual family, and they talked earlier. It's the Trinity, right?
SPEAKER_01That's what they're saying.
SPEAKER_02The father, the son, yeah, the it's an all-male trinity. Yeah. The one thing that I love, or that I I don't know if I love this, but I love it. I love I love this. Women's natural religious impulse and capacity has kept patriarchal churches in business for so long. It's true. The female gift for spirituality, into which under patriarchy we pour so much repressed sexual energy, is used and turned against us by the male hierarchies of the male god churches. They cleverly keep women on their knees, scrubbing and scrutinizing the sacred floor, while they, a few select princes of the churches, rise upwardly in lofty clouds of worldly power and luxury. Religious women think they are worshiping God. In truth, under patriarchal religion, women believers exist only to service and inflate the institutionally ordained egos of very mortal men. Yes. Yeah. And they talk and you know, that's what Elizabeth Cady stands on.
SPEAKER_01That's how I see the cross over there so much.
SPEAKER_02So much cross. And it is I mean, to this day, you look at all this, I'm like, churches run on women.
SPEAKER_01Uh absolutely.
SPEAKER_02So do political movements. Everything. Or I mean, I should say leftist ones. I don't know. Organize, we know how to bring people together. It's like a natural. We're just good at it. And it is yeah. I mean, I wonder how much food women have like cooked for churches.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Like so. Like at the universe size. Bazillion. Bajillion tons of tons. So they got rid of the importance of Mary by making her be a virgin birth, like the Holy Spirit touched her, right? Right. So that was the big push behind that. And because they did that, it has affected us through these thousands of years because we have to repress our sexuality, which is a it's a big deal. Um, like men can do whatever they want, but women are supposed to be proper, supposed to do that. And it really they tie it to the story of Mary. It's like just makes sense. It does connect. Mary, the only female now left on this divine scene, has nothing of the primal creatrix about her. She is a mere, lowly mortal woman, lifted up by Yahweh's divinely disembodied attention, impregnated by it, in fact, without ever seeing or touching a man. In the New Testament tale, there is no sex whatsoever. It is to a divine absence that Mary acquiesces with vapid humility, an absence that uses her without even having to touch her. And Mary, in our eyes, doesn't even gain the simple strength of struggling or choosing. She has no identity except for passive acquiescence to an absence. And this is how Christ is Christ was conceived in both his physical conception and in our conceptions of him. It is also fastidious, so non-textural, so celebral, cerebral, sorry, and unreal, so bordering on the sexually pathological in fact. So like it just doesn't make sense, right, to anybody. And it's just like, oh, but it's just, it's all in our mind. Like you just have to believe it.
SPEAKER_02You just have to And that's why they're also like weirdly repressed and like weird, sexy time stuff and obsessed with like women's vaginas and wombs and stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So look at Christy Gnome's husband.
SPEAKER_02She he just wanted to wear our boobies. Which everybody, I'm like, go ahead, but wear your boobies. Go ahead. Stop it and get your boobies on. But leave the women alone. So and yeah, in this chapter, they talk a lot about women's labor and contributions. There's a great paragraph that's like the burning question asks, like, women, why are you, you know, why are you giving all this? And the I thought it was interesting, and they were talking about how much energy has been extracted from women to have these churches thrive. And in earlier centuries, where all the options for women were terrible, it was often a liberation for creative, independent women to enter a cloister instead of being forced into what usually amounted to brutal marriage and eternal childbearing. Many of the great women artists and poets of the Middle Ages and Renaissance were nuns. Oh, ooh. Yes. Interesting. Under patriarchal religion, maleness is made, invented, mass-produced, while femaleness is unmade, de-evolved, extincted. For over 2,000 years, Western biblicized women have been undergoing conditioning out of our natural powers and wisdom. We grew up learning to disregard the effects of our own rhythms, which are cyclic, like the moon, the tides, and the seasons. That whole paragraph.
SPEAKER_01I can go, but so no, but we learn habits of ignoring them, denying them, trying to forget or overcome them as we live under the rule of man who conceives of time as something that can be ordered and processed in a mental mechanical category, regardless of the body's or earth's phases. Which if you think about the way we grew up, did you ever learn about your body's phases or what they were going through? And I don't even think about it.
SPEAKER_02My mother because I like You looked it up. Yeah, I would like to go to the library all the time.
SPEAKER_01So I had no idea. And my mom, it's not anything my mom would think of because she had church, right? You had to go to church. It's conditioning. We conditioned.
SPEAKER_02By the way, listeners, our parents weren't exactly like super conservative repressed. No, no. And they didn't like it. Even though we just told a story that sounds very used birth conditions. But I do just yeah, I just think about if that was our experience, imagine some of these kids coming up in like evangelical homes and I mean you're afraid of your own thoughts. That's that has to be insane.
SPEAKER_00It has to be really, really mind uh messing up.
SPEAKER_02Like what but in bringing back to the theme of how this directly affects the material world, there were laws. I think it wasn't I mean, that's what um is it Margaret Sanger? Women weren't even allowed to like it was a law against knowing about your menstrual cycle. Yeah like distributing information about that. There were laws about so again, it goes I'm just punching this thing, but again, it goes with like if you think religion just because you're not religious, if you think it's not affecting you, this is like literally this this entire this whole globe running on it, y'all. Get hip and get pissed off about it. Get pissed and learn the language of it. So you can be like, naturally, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I have a little quote for you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You're like, actually, and here's a good one. Just kidding. So in talking about this, you know, the stuff you read about Mary, I mean, these are all so good. Imagine we're just reading you a few little tidbits.
SPEAKER_01Little bits.
SPEAKER_02These chapters are like holy crap.
SPEAKER_01They're just filled with holy crap moments. Like literally, like where you're like, oh yeah, actually, I don't I didn't even listen to my body, right? So like we got to change things for our next generation. That's our job.
SPEAKER_02Well, we talked um recently a couple episodes ago, how the like the first thing that happens when you're a girl and you're going through puberty, it's not people coming up to you being, you know, helping you or talking with you, questioning you. They're like, put a fucking shirt on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Don't wear a tank top. Yeah. It's all about it's all you are told right away, like this is your whole body, your whole thing has nothing to do with you. Yeah. Has nothing to do with you. Think about it. It's so fucked. It's so fucked. So the female body, in other words, is politically subversive or has a lurkingly treasonous potential. All patriarchy is structured always. They like bold that in militant reaction to this potential.
SPEAKER_01Militant. That's what's happening right now. Look at it. Look at it. Yeah, it's it's getting crazy in here in the in the US as a of A's.
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, so good. Oh, and you already read the Marrying the Machine. So that's, I mean, scooted through that, but let me tell you what.
SPEAKER_01It's not done. We got so much more. We got so much more. Oh my god. Yeah, so the so we now know the basis, how we're stuck in this rut of thinking there's a savior outside of us.
SPEAKER_02So that chapter sets up how the how the like body, how the female body is seen and used and situated within this the what do they call it, the homosexual family. Yes. Okay, whatever. I'm just I'm just reading what is written here, okay? And so bringing together, this is a whole theme of what we're talking about, bringing together what that means for economy and production. And let me tell you all the first method of control of the economy, you know, of capitalism, patriarchy, very first method of control is women's reproduction. Thank you very much. So let me just tell you about the machine. Let me tell you.
Reproduction Control As Economic Control
SPEAKER_02So we're in the chapter called The Machine.
SPEAKER_01Welcome to the machine.
SPEAKER_02So this is about the modern world. Yeah. How does it affect how it has affected industry? For over 4,000 years now, female reproduction has not been an autonomous function of women.
SPEAKER_00It has not.
SPEAKER_02But an auxiliary function of patriarchal systems. And for the same time period, worker production has functioned as part of the same patriarchal, hierarchical, wealth-producing machinery. Can you guys get this? You're in the machinery. Are you do you get it? You're a car. Here's the thing: everybody's in the machine, but women are a machine. You know what I mean? Like we're like part, we're the tool. Instead of being a miracle. Both female production and worker production being rationalized and reified by God as subsidiary and inferior functions that of the wealth producing system. They're subsidiary and inferior functions in the sense that they are disempowered, many controlled by the system to the benefit of the empowered few. As far as wealth production or actual value goes, females and workers are, of course, not subsidiary or inferior in any way, but primary producers of all wealth. Primary producers of all wealth. In both cases, worker production and female reproduction, wealth is produced for the dominant males or the dominated male system with its auxiliary wives. Because this hat Yeah, we talk about auxiliary wives. Well, because again, we talk about when you hear people, if you're like, there are no female leaders, they're like, well, so-and-so had a woman president. I'm like, it doesn't work like they're still in a patriarchal male-dominated system. Yes. Yeah. The big the big system. Yeah. By organizing what was once organically rooted sexual spiritual activity into coerced, mechanical, reproductive activity.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. Um, and they they go in through this chapter, they even talk about, you know, basically we have a lot of science now. And you could have a baby. And I'm sure in the 80s it was when they were calling them test two babies. Remember that? Oh, yeah. All the test two babies. So, I mean, they even go deep in here and they're like, you know, if they could get rid of us all together and they could just produce the perfect human without a woman, they would try to do that. That would be perfect for them. Or they'll just in the meantime treat us as a receptacle for their divine human fluid that they shoot to the womb and we grow it. It's the the the dichotomy of um how how do they separate their sperm from our eggs? And um so if if our egg and we don't control our egg, um we're bad, right? But men can just spread their seeds all over and waste them and not have a problem. Like I don't know, I don't know how they fix that in their head. Like with the Bible. With the Bible, but that's how they fix it.
SPEAKER_02If anything doesn't make sense, just be like, well, well, it must must be Jesus. Must be Jesus.
SPEAKER_01I found this chapter sad and also just a lot of truths that we're living is the truths.
SPEAKER_02That idea, this really does like hit there's a ton about uh reproductive. And yeah, controlling reproductive.
SPEAKER_01So like some countries they're like, ooh, we need less babies, so they the government controls it but via religion and and just ridiculous patriarchal thoughts. Or like we need more, so have 'em. Or in China we need just girls or just boys, and we'll control it. So it's instead of if it's like a it's the Rouge factory down the river. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like we can just do that.
SPEAKER_02Like we just need to make babies like this. And That is exactly their point in this book. How they're like, we took all of this, you know, and took the magic out of it. And I have, I mean, I do have more quotes, but did you have one?
SPEAKER_01Um, fundamentalist fatherhood, how did how do they get it wrong? Um, when they tell us from the Bible's pages or the church pulpits that human sex is sacred only if it tries to make babies, and that otherwise the act reduces us to the level of beasts. How could they have got it all so mixed up so backwards? When the preachers of all of preachers of all time denounce Eve and through her all women for our innately devilish sexuality, how is it that they make the horrible mistake of confusing what demonizes us with what humanizes us? The answer is one, because the Bronze Age priesthoods were members of the pastoral tribe. Because of the assholes and their new patriarchal ideas of God and human intercourse derived from cattle breeding, and two, because female sexual uh autonomy represented the ancient Neolithic goddess religion, which these priesthoods had set out to demonize and destroy. The biblical god was indeed a jealous god, and it was precisely the goddess, her woman, and human pleasure that he was so jealous of. So they're like, you can't have it. Right. You're having fun, you're enjoying it, it looks magical. I will create a god that needs you not.
SPEAKER_00Why am I laughing when I'm like, this is horrible? Need you not.
SPEAKER_02So that's what this chapter makes the case where they're like, that's not a separation. Like workers being exploited by the wealth class is no different than women than w women's wombs being exploited by the work. Yeah. I mean, I'm simplifying that a lot. But so here's my quote. That makes sense. In the present situation, if males do not join with women workers to fight for female reproductive autonomy along with workers' rights, then males have no other place to go except to join the National Guards, the SWAT teams, the goon squads, gearing up everywhere to help colonize and exploit their own country women as slave workers and breeding machines. These are the only two options left for political men or in a totally politicized world for all men.
SPEAKER_01This is where I get sad because I feel like we lost already.
SPEAKER_02First of all, life is we're we're on a spiral, nothing's done. Okay. So but it's so long as governments can control female reproduction in any way, the workforce can be equally controlled. I'm gonna repeat that. So long as governments can control female reproduction in any way, the workforce can be equally controlled. No one can be free unless females are free to control our own sex and our own reproduction. If we don't control our own bodies, they are controlled by the boss, and that keeps the boss in power forever. Forever. I have nothing else to say except for a lot more. A lot more. I'm just kidding. But that really is that's all that's the my takeaway from Okay, you're right. What is that just your face? You just look at it. I think I just caused I just caused clinical depression right in front of my face.
SPEAKER_01Because I get I cross between like we can change things and then it's too late. Uh no fucking way.
SPEAKER_02So deep. And I can be like like depressed, but I also am like, I just it's not over. What just because some like some like douchebags are in charge for a bit? Come on. I know.
SPEAKER_01I guess it would be better if it wasn't almost every country. But yeah, that is hard.
SPEAKER_02It's a global situation. Makes a little So this is my question for you now that I've depressed you with that passage. Yes, thank you so much. But after reading these chapters, and yes, it does feel like it's an entire global creep on this patriarchal machine, all of that. But doesn't it give you more insight into how desperately they are trying to cling on to this? Because if you think about your everyday life and the women you know, we're not nobody's having any of this shit.
SPEAKER_01I mean, yes, there's a few, like you Yeah, there's gonna be a few and the ultra religious.
SPEAKER_02And I I think I mean it is gonna have to be women that like lead the way, right? There's no other way. But if labor and you know the left do not align with women, that we will forever be fucked. Yeah, and that for some reason And they don't take it as much of a like they don't take it, even though it's half the population, a hundred percent of them came from women. Right. And I still do not make this like a major issue, like a top issue. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes, because they benefit from it in the teeniest, you know, in the teeniest way. Like we read about like we will abuse, you know, the overlords will abuse you, but we'll let you beat your women. Yeah, yeah. You'll get to be in charge of your house. It's a nuclear family, like, but you'll get to be in charge of your house. Like, so men are always by default leaders, so they have so much, they feel like they have so much to lose by by breaking down the patriarchy because they don't know anything else.
SPEAKER_01But they just what they need is a nature bath.
SPEAKER_02I thought you were gonna say something. I was like, what they need is a nature bath.
SPEAKER_01Basically, we've been all men have been colonized by priest ideology, right? It's where we are.
SPEAKER_02I love that phrase. That's the phrase of the book, like by priest priest ideology.
SPEAKER_01Yes. We are all repressed, all of us, right?
SPEAKER_02We're like you're oppressed and repressed. Welcome to this fun podcast.
SPEAKER_01And like she even goes into like the repression causes all these other weird things to pop up, right? And I and I agree with that. Okay. Because it's all this um demonetization of females feeling sexual and and what what the priests have told us, like, um, don't enjoy this. This is just for making babies for me. Okay. I know it's gross. It's so weird. And we were raised like that. I know, it's really weird. It's gross. Um and it's like literally is just like in your cult. It didn't even like so weird. You might not even have gone to church and you would still be like, oh yeah, yeah. Gotta be married. They gotta be married before they do that. Exactly. The wreckage it has produced is all around us today, the results of generations of male hostility to the female, still manipulated and orchestrated by holy men of all patriarchal systems, reproduction-oriented sex, prohibition of birth control, the demonization of female sexual pleasure and autonomy, the inoculation of lifelong guilt and perpetual fear surrounding the act of sex itself. We know that all this has done nothing to improve the relationship of women and men, or women and women, or man and man. On the contrary, it has created a bitterly deformed and deprived, repressive, repressed machinery which functions as the mechanical, pathological energy source for all of our larger human conflicts. Perpetual seething rage and continuous violence, a world always and always at war is the inevitable result when men are told over and over from the beginning of their consciousness that the very source of their being is evil.
unknownDamn.
SPEAKER_02Let's go to war. Exactly. Oh my god, you guys.
SPEAKER_01Let's pray for war. They're praying for war now, you know. Are they praying for war? Oh, yeah, they pray to annihilate people. Yeah, didn't you see them all in the in the Oval Office laying their hands on the man because he's the chosen man? Oh, I thought that was an old picture.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, no, this is for this war.
SPEAKER_02I have just two short things. Patriarchal men have tried to pretend that males can be free while females can be dominated and enslaved, just as white imperialists have pretended that they can be independent and soulful beings, soulful beings in private life while publicly colonizing and brutalizing darker people. Now we see that everyone involved in a dominating machine is dominated and mechanized by it. And now we can also see that after 4,000 years of systemic physical and ideological domination of the female sexual and reproductive processes by men, there is no free man left on earth. No. So I have to read this real quick. What I was gonna say is some of these quotes, I'm gonna ask Joanna for them because we're already, we're like, whatever time. Woo-hoo. But um, I think, and we'll put some of these in the show notes, and I'll even put it up on the site because there's so many
Escape The Machinery And Build Something
SPEAKER_02that I love. But I have to say, I wonder what our gals would think of AI now after reading this little section. Oh man. In the continuous spiraling of evolution, deevolution, biology is a spiritual process, and spirit is a biological process. Spiritual energy fuels our biological organisms, and biological energy fuels our spiritual experiences. Biology and spirituality, sexuality and spirituality cannot be separated without destroying the living holism and producing dead mechanism, robot sex, robot piety, robot labor, robot existence.
SPEAKER_01I love you.
SPEAKER_02Let's make a baby.
SPEAKER_01Look where we are right now.
SPEAKER_02I know. That's exactly where we are. People are killing themselves over their AI girlfriends. Yeah, you're right. Oh my god. Trip out on that, y'all.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I don't like tripping on the I wanted to read this last paragraph and then wrap up.
SPEAKER_02All right. Is that okay? Yeah. I'm just I'm so there's so many.
SPEAKER_01I'm like churning and so. Oh no, because I read that thing about the labor.
SPEAKER_02And then I and then I accidentally said failed when I was looking for a word about unions, and I didn't mean failed.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying to be uplifting, and we're ending religion. Yo, this is hard work. And I need uplifting. I hope this quote is uplifting. Yes. Is it going to be? This one? Yes. Is it?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I double checked. It's up uplifting. Up it is up something. I'm kidding. No, this is this is hey. This is three. So this is hey. So this is our the last little bits. And I know this episode was like a quote off.
SPEAKER_01It was a quote off because there's like this is everything. Like this just made so much sense. And like it's a quote off because there's and we didn't even read all our quotes.
SPEAKER_02Didn't read all our quotes. We want to read you the whole book. We want to read you the whole book. I do. But because Sandra can do it for you. But overall, that's we can describe, you know, the American split and then the divine homosexual family. Family, I can't even tell you. The American exclit. And then so women were excluded from the religion, but then used for to support the divine homosexual family. And that'll be the last time I ever say that. It's weird. I didn't make up.
SPEAKER_01Not only support it, like be the founding rock of it.
SPEAKER_02And then in the machine, it talks about how we're placed. So and I know I focus a lot on women, but I did read that quote where so women become, I mean, we're all part of the machine. And then men, like they said, you just be you can like kill for the wealth class if you want. Yeah. You can be a soldier. Yeah, do it. That's about it. Your reward is you get to like be mean and control your wife.
SPEAKER_01And then later nobody else go to heaven. Yeah. But you get to control your wife.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So here you go. This I hope this uplifts. I need to save Joanna. We either re become children of the great mother or we remain children of the machine. The opposite of life is not death, but to become a mechanism. That just got me. That means we're the walking dead. Yeah. So we are now already quasi-mechanisms living within a world machine. We must extricate ourselves from the machinery. Let's ext let's do it. I know. See, I told you we're already pumped up. Let's go. This is a good clause. Which is not truly either life or death, but the absence and travesty of both. Politics is important. Social and cultural activity is important. Everything that can be done should be done to change our situation. But these activities cannot extricate us from the machinery if they are still conducted in the terms of the machinery. Ontological evolution and revolution must be conducted in the mode of biology and the dream. This is the mode into which the machinery cannot exist. Only living beings can.
SPEAKER_01Oh, we need to take the world back. Take it back. Take it back. And then take it. Oh my gosh. We're gonna take it back. And we're gonna this is revolutionary. This is revolutionary. The only thing I realized it was in 87.
SPEAKER_02And that had like a sense of urgency right there. She was like, we must- She's like, we're like, we can act on this now. Although, you know, in geologic times, like 30, 40 years is not. It really isn't, I know. So but it was it was bad in the 80s. The 80s is when the pro-life movement came out.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, there's lots of stuff about abortion that is killer. And they're trying to warn us, they're like, if you don't know, and we already are. That's a little sad in here. Because they were like, if you don't, and I'm like, oh, but we did. I know, but we already did. But I tried not to, because I did work against that. Anyways. Well, that's what you said. If it's if it is not to be too late for all of us women on a global scale, we have to do it now. And it that was 87. My reaction is to laugh. I'm like, okay, we're okay. Let's do it. I mean, what if you read this book in 87 and felt like us? What are you doing? We did. I know. No, no, no, I know. Like women, though, like they're probably got their old torn-up cards.
SPEAKER_02Well, that's why you go to any of these no kings and it's all a bunch of old ladies. Isn't that weird? No, it isn't. It's all old. You just asked. I was like, they're all this is what they're doing. They're pissed. They're like, we've already been through all this shit. Yeah. We tried to tell you. Dang it. I didn't think that's a good idea. And that's why I hate when I, you know, again, this is more of an online world, but like you see people like, these liberal white women at the that's the only people that go to the I'm like, what they are the ones that are doing stuff. Just like they were the ones that supported the church, just like they're the, you know, I'm like, yeah, no kidding. That's that's who does shit.
SPEAKER_01It is true.
SPEAKER_02That's who brings your orange slices, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_01So, ladies, you don't have to work in the church. You can actually work for the resistance. And we need you.
SPEAKER_02So listen, listeners, if you stuck with us through this quote off, yeah, I'm dying to know what you got from that. And does it sound like when you're listening to it, does it sound as profound as feeling? So we set that up, and I depressed Joanna. Yeah. And I'm not depressed because I'm pissed. But we won't leave you hanging, being like, and so that is we so next week, and this will be this will actually for real wrap up the great cosmic mother. And we're going to read the last two chapters, which really are more about like, and this is the vision. And it really is the last chapter, it is so beautiful.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it is like a poem. It's really a liter.
SPEAKER_02But as we're reading this, I'm like, if anybody is actively listening and has it's like, so how do we transfer this knowledge into a movement? Maybe it really is a movement. It really could go back to like 70s style consciousness raising groups. Just be like, we're book clubbing this.
SPEAKER_01And be like, hey, guess what? 10 ladies, I bought you a book.
SPEAKER_02Yep. And we need a meeting weekly. We need to start putting these in the little free libraries.
SPEAKER_01Oh little free libraries. I'm gonna put mine in them with all the sticky notes.
SPEAKER_02But I'm gonna put a book cover on it and it'll just say, like, how to get rich, or what's we need some like cheesy, well, be like, you know, kale juicing for Oh yes.
SPEAKER_01And be like, ooh, kale juicing.
SPEAKER_02Or say like what Jesus really wants you to know. Ooh. That'll be a good book cover. That'd be a good book cover.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What does Jesus really want you to know?
SPEAKER_02The title of the very, very last chapter, y'all, is called Respell the World.
SPEAKER_01We're gonna bring the magic back. This is how to do it. Bring the magic back.
SPEAKER_02And the last. And the power. The magic. In the power. So I also want to know, you know, how are you listening to this podcast and what can make it better or more shareable? Should I do like, should I chop these episodes up? I last season I took one of our episodes that was about, well, we did two episodes on Genesis. Oh yeah. And I'm like, and of course, they're brilliant because we're totally hilarious. But I chopped it way down into one shorter episode, like a 30-minute one, just because I'm like, this is if you want to just know like the stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The nitty-gritty.
SPEAKER_02The nitty gritty. The gritty nitty. And um I don't, yeah. Yeah, do it like videos. I need to get back into making our short videos and all that. So tell us.
SPEAKER_01I know it's since the Tic Tac, TikToks were so easy to share. They were so easy.
SPEAKER_02You know, YouTube Shorts were on there. Okay. Yeah, I got it. Same with Blue Sky. So check us out on there, check our show notes, reach out to us. Send us a letter. With a stamp. We still have the USPS.
SPEAKER_01All right. And maybe you have a book that you read that you're like, oh, they need to read this book. Right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, maybe we do. Maybe we do.
SPEAKER_01We like to bite the apples.
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