Sky Daddy: The Biggest Buzzkill of 'em All: The Great Cosmic Mother Pt 3

We’re deep in The Great Cosmic Mother, landing in the final section on “Patriarchal Culture and Religion” where the dots connect fast: the split from Earth to sky, the invention of a distant father God, and the long campaign to make the body feel dirty, dangerous, and controllable. Something that affects each and every one of us, whether we attend church or not. 

We talk through how The GCM tells us that patriarchy rewrote spiritual reality by ripping women out of the life giving narrative, turning birth and blood into shame, and replacing embodied joy with guilt, rules, and obedience. Along the way we connect the “God as Father” framework to virgin birth logic, modern purity culture, and today’s obsession with policing sex, reproduction, and LGBTQ lives. 

Then we follow the material trail: stored grain, property, money, cattle wealth, and the rise of standing armies. The episode links patriarchal religion to labor exploitation, class systems justified by original sin, and professional warfare that turns conquest into “holy” duty. We also get into the imperial tactic that still makes our stomachs drop, redirecting colonized men’s rage away from their conquerors and toward women, fueling misogyny as social control.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Welcome

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I mean, I'm not into violence, but just like a book, baby.

SPEAKER_01 0:02

I mean, how do evolution start? How do they start? With a book upside the head. Exactly. I'm gonna take this book right upside your head. I don't know if it'll sink in, but it'll send you a message.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

Salutations, dear friend, and welcome to Biting All the Apples. Can you be welcome to a podcast? Sure, why not? Come on in and watch your step.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

I'm Sarah Kay. And I'm Joanna V. And we are inviting you into our beautiful world of bitten apples. We're just two reunited small town gals making sense of the world through Gen X experience, random gossip, and radical books. You know, the ones that they'd rather we not touch. But just like Eve in the Garden of Eden, knowledge is just too tempting.

Why This Section Hits Hard

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Oh, it is. So we've been chewing on the Great Cosmic Mother for a couple episodes now. And today we're getting into the last section, and it's titled Patriarchal Culture and Religion. Ooh, girl. It's got 15 chapters, and it's all about the human spiritual split away from the earth and toward the sky to an angry penis that will tell them what to do and how to live. Well, that's a really short summary. We're gonna talk about men thinking babies live in their sperm, about why Christianity had to go all asexual and get weird about bodies, particularly women's bodies, and how it all ties into labor exploitation, genocide, and war. Of course, war.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Yeah. What are war just the endless wars of humanity? Yeah, you don't think our gals Monica and Barbara, Ju and more, can pull that off? Well, they do. We can only hope that we give this book its due. The entire book is so fascinating, literary, poetic. But the last section reads almost like an earth spirit siren's call to return to the earth, to recognize our wholeness, and to respell the world.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

Yes. So we have our orders from the great cosmic mother. We're going to take it as seriously as two gals whose sanity is hanging on by a bookmark can.

unknown 2:33

I got my finger on there.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

We're hanging on. So let's do this.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Woo! We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Like we're going through this book. I even realized reading this last section, almost like, oh, I want to read the first ones again. Yes. It's almost like it took me this long to get it. I mean, I feel like I was getting it, but you know how I love that, where you're like, oh, my brain is like it's re-making new connections.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Yeah, I'm legit. When I said I told you I want to reread, I will be rereading this.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

And that's so we, and I think it was clear. See, Joanne and I are like, you know, it's late night. We're just chat-chatting. But you mentioned that we were listening to this awesome woman read, and this is on YouTube. Yeah, because it's on there. Yeah, and she said that this is the fourth time she's read it in the second time out loud.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Yeah, and I'm telling you when she's read like the you read it again, and she reads it out loud, and she's like, Are you listening? And I'm like, Yes, girl, I am. And we are you're right. Like, we need to preach. It is so we've gotta preach. We have to, the power is us. We are within. No, I just want to like beat people with this book.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I do. It's a good book too. It's a good book. It doesn't beat them. Just beats nice weight. Yeah. It's so good. And that's so this the other thing is this last section, because as we're seeing, it really, you know, it's titled The Patriarchy. Wait, what is it titled? The Patriarchal Culture and Religion. Yes. So, and then the first sections were like the way background and all of these different cultures and goddesses and ways of worship and living and and like actual historical, you know, documentation that were not crazy.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Like, yeah, like women hold a lot of power, yet we have none.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

But it was taken from us. And not even that it was just taken from women, it was taken from everybody. It was taken from the plant. We were removed from our natural like earth connection.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Which that's it. That's the whole crux of our situation right now.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Under the guise of under I don't say the guise, but under the goal of commodifying and producing and all, you know. And that to me is like that's the religion of the time. Sure, people are like, We're Christian. I'm like, no, you want to just make stuff and make money.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

And actually not even make stuff, but make, you know, but it's it's not their fault.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

It's it's just think about it, just like thousands and thousands of years of just consistent uh brainwashing of bad people.

unknown 5:31

I know.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Wanting power. And and they're just bad people, and it's not it's not all of us. Most humans are not bad.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

And it's funny that even we're so brainwashed that even the idea we say they want power, and we equate power with being the boss of people. That's not necessarily true. No. Because everybody before in these older cultures were powerful.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

But they weren't they weren't trying to enslave people. But now we equate power with whoever has like the most money or can control the most people, or can they? Well, that's one of the things.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Oh, I guess one of the things in the book that sticks out to me is like before remember, we lived when there was no money. And when money came about, that's when it was all over. Because then we didn't have any transaction with the earth and the surrounding. It was all human to human. And you know what? Species do not do good just within themselves. Yeah. I don't think I don't think any species.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

There's a little bit of a crossover with you know Marxism and the idea of how you know capitalism isolates people from their labor. And that's it's a similar thing. It's like we're money isolates us from our experience.

unknown 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

And actually, I have to do it. And it holds us down all the portrait.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

So this, so this last section, that's why it feels so powerful. I mean, I almost am like that whole this last section could be like a book that's like passed around. Right. I mean, the the the first two sections are great, they're wonderful background, but this is really where it does it connects it to like, and in case you were wondering why we are the way we are, it's right here. Here's your answer. Here's your answer.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Here's how it connects. Here's where civilization humans, this is where we effed up really bad. Yeah. And we need to unf it. Una F it.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Una F it.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Yeah, we decided the other day, didn't we? Gen X, Gen X is gonna be the ones. Like, we are we are not messing around. I'm not gonna leave.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Yeah, half of us. Half of us are crazy MAGA. The really cool Gen Xers. The ones that can actually claim to be Gen X.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah, right. And this is my um worry about this because we're doing it different, like right, with the women's Bible, we went through it, right? And I think we had to. Chapter by chapter, yeah. And we had to. It was good. It was it broke open the Garden of Eden. Right. Right. Which is what we needed to do. This now where we're going, the trajectory. We're not gonna be able to go that in depth, but like we are reading these books and we are absorbing them, and we're gonna try and share as much. It I hope that what we share gets you to go, oh, that book, I need to get that book. Because you do, you have to experience it for yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

I'm talking myself into where I'm like, yeah, I actually think this is one of the most moving book reading experiences I've had in a minute.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Yeah. I mean, it first of all, it encompasses so much, it's all of humankind, right? It's your whole history in one book. It's just such a good writer.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

That's what I'm saying too. It's like lyrical, but then also well researched. All the notes. And you're just like, I'm like, yeah, I'll cast some spells.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Where are they? And then if you think about like the story, I'm not kidding. I know. I'm like, I cannot you think about her being homeless and like carrying this. Is the thing. Like you people follow Jesus. They follow these prop that they think were prophets doing things. This lady went homeless while trying to get this book out. The only thing she carried around with her were all of her research notes. She did not let them out of her sight. That this book is precious.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Crazy. But also, after reading it, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need it.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

It's so important. Because what are they trying to do right now? Erase history. They're like literally they've done it in the past, they're doing it. We don't even know our history. This book is sacred, and everyone should get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Like we're right now. We're like, and so there's our 20-minute um intro. See, that's how much it did kind of like knock my socks off. That's why I'm like, okay, we're getting into it. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. I have what was my going on.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Well, I guess we could start the first chapter, it is called God as Father, and it really just goes into the fact that in the previous chapters we talked about that women were worshipped and it was the goddess. And then there had to be a transformation, and it's like, how did we get to daddy in the sky? Right? And why is it all guys? And even like the Holy Trinity is all male, right? Father, son, the Holy Spirit is even assumed male. Like, okay, so this tells you how you got there, and it's not just Christianity. Like it goes, it focuses mainly on Christianity, but it also talks about Islam, and obviously it starts out with the Hebrew section because, like, apparently I can't remember where it was.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

But it was all the Abrahamic religions.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah, but I can't remember, but they the Abrahamic religion, right? Because Jesus was a Jew, right? But they were saying somewhere in here, and I don't know what chapter it is, I'm so sorry. It's a lot, it's a long book, right? So we're not 400. We're not gonna be able to give you exact places, but I'll tell you, it's in this section. And like Jesus was well formed in like the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff, which was like way before Jesus was even born. The idea of the Messiah.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

I just read that part, so I have that. Okay, okay. But when the cult of the male god was established, there must have been difficulty in explaining how he could be the giver of life to all creation. Since the man, unlike the woman, cannot produce from his body either the child or food for the child. The whole attitude of humans toward the God had to be altered, violently altered. Violently. There could not be the same vital biological and magical link between the child and the father as there is between the child and its mother. Two beings evolving in and from the same body, the same rhythms and the same dreams. And that's the part that needed to be altered. And that's, I mean, again, this is blowing my mind because I'm like, you can see that today. Yeah. Even like when we're talking about reproductive rights, they have to separate it out like that feet. It's murder because that fetus is like a whole different thing than the mother. Like all of the conversation around women's health and reproductive health is always about separating that out. And that all stems from trying to separate the divinity of that wholeness and like women giving birth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

And so they had to be violently and and teach this and ripping women totally out of the narrative.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

So, and that's what the you know, the next few chapters are about, how men had to construct this whole new idea and take, you know, the holy God and take it outside of the body.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

So we're no longer like holy bodies. In fact, we had to start to demonize the body and be afraid of it, and it's like evil and dirty and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

It just takes away ecstasy, which I mean you would think there was probably a lot of happiness and like joy with sharing, like we've all had relations, right? It ain't bad. Um, right. But they made it terrible. And like they even talk about like how things evolved to where like women would always be on the bottom and you just lay there and you don't move and you just take it. And yeah. And that all of the guilt that is that they had to put into that, that started right at the beginning. Right when they, right when they were like, yeah, this woman being holy thing that's not working for me. Uh, we need to.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

So they had to violently take it. They're like, you have to believe that we're not wholly in the body, but there's somebody up in the sky. There's a there's a guy. So it's like completely again separating out, just like we're talking like money separates you from your labor. Everything is like separate.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

And took the wonder out. Like there's no time to think. So that's the other part of it. Right. Like you don't have to wonder. There's a guy in the sky. Yeah. And if you're good, you get to go there. Yeah. But you just work hard down here and you'll be good. And then you'll get to have ecstasy back. Right. Which when that first started happening, I know they even say it in here. There was a lot of um people like, yeah, no, like, I don't think so. That doesn't sound fun to me because we're we're fine.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

We're we're having fun. Things are good. Did you see the there's lots of little instances I I have them highlighted throughout here too, where they were like, and then they would get in trouble for backsliding. Yeah. Like the early like Hebrews would be like, actually, yeah. They'd be like, You got caught worshiping the mother. I wanted to say when you're talking about the ecstasy and the joy, it reminds me, if you've heard accounts of, I always have to do disclaimers, I'm like, I don't exactly know, but it was something like Columbus and these early colonizers would always comment on how childlike the native people were. And that to me, right there tells you it's kind of what this book is describing, where they saw that and they would they'd be like, well, obviously they're like heathens. Yeah, because they're childlike and they are they're like laughing and being and playful. Yeah. And that was like insane to these. Yeah. Why don't they want money?

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Why don't the and the Native Americans are like, you can't buy the land. It is not for sale. It is all of our land. I don't understand what you're saying. It is the mother. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

But look, even today today, you hear so many people still, even like smart progressive people will just be like, well, that's not very adult. And it's everybody is putting everybody in check for the man. Yeah. Which is fucking insane.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Especially because we're all not happy. Like nobody. I mean, maybe someone is, maybe I don't know. Yeah. I don't I don't know how today, like anywhere on this planet, yeah, that you're like, I think they're pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

I know. I'm like, I experience moments of happiness. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

And enjoy them or like deeply connected or yeah, like.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

I guess I can't relate with that, but I believe just in the earth and our connection to it, which I've always believed, and that just is who so like I was like denying that because no one no one believes that. There's no church for that. Like yet that's where I know I feel the most connected to everything.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

But it's because we're used to, because we're brought up in like that religion has to be a thing that somebody else tells you what to do, and there's rules, and there's like ritual.

unknown 16:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Do you have to go?

SPEAKER_02 16:53

But like really hollow ritual, because it's not like you're connected to it in any way, other than people telling you that that's what somebody did a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Yeah, and they've always done this. And you're like, okay, that's and it's the oldest everyone's always believed.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

And this cracker is Jesus, like whatever. Where do you have questions?

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Yeah, you're gonna eat his body now and drink his blood. Let's go. Okay, cool. That's great. All of our history, everyone that is taught in America, we don't go beyond, we don't go back. Like they're like, they don't talk about evolution, anything. You don't learn that. So if you don't have a family that questions those things, you're not gonna think about them. But these are all things that humans have to be doing right now, or else this little rock floating in a like ridiculous we're very small. This is it. This is it, and we could make it better, and we don't have to be slaves to the machine.

Original Sin And Class Control

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Well, and I think too, maybe the the alternative is very scary. Damn it. Of course, Pink Floyd knew. John Lennon, Pink Floyd. I think the other thing is the alternative of people actually accepting that the human experience we're having is what's going on right now. That's a huge responsibility to be like, well, then what are we gonna do right now? It's kind of easier just to be like, well, I'm just here and waiting for the rapture. Yeah, oh that's so easy. Yeah, yeah. And you're like, and I can just be judgmental, other people. We're gonna be this is gonna be slow moving, but I swear I won't read everything. Dish me out somehow. And so this new male god must be enforced on the people by the punitive and guilt-projecting ideologies of a privil privileged priesthood. In their writings and doctrines flooding the Bronze Age, creation now comes to be seen as evil. The creator is above and apart from his creation, and while he is perfect, the world is flawed. And so the idea of original sin can be conceived for the first time to rationalize the unnatural new relation between the human soul and the aloof God. This lays the basis for all further alienated relationships between people and God, between people and people, and between people and the natural world, between rulers and ruled. For now, the primary relation is not that we share the same divine substance, but that we share the same material corruption. And the entire priesthood exists to redeem us from the sin of being born from the mother and to rationalize class disparity by preaching that the new class system is God's design, his method for creating civilized order out of the corruption and chaos of human flesh. For an unjust system to work for any prolonged period of time, it is necessary that the masses of people believe they deserve this injustice.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Yeah, and they do. It worked, it worked, it worked. And then it's just one paragraph. That is so is that everything? That's everything. That's everything, and that's yeah, detached us from what like you know that you're connected to everything. You know it. You feel it.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

You just have to just speaking of like, oh, we're so disconnected from nature. All what follows is we are disconnected from work. And I don't think people realize how fucking serious that is. It's really serious. It's literally your entire life, and people just accept it.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

And it's killing us. And hello, like, and then people like retire. You hear all the time people retire and two weeks later they die.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

Yeah. You do not hear, unless somebody was like maybe like a great filmmaker or artist, you do not hear dying people talk about all the time they spend at work.

Grain Wealth Paternity And War

SPEAKER_01 21:05

If I could just have one more back at the office. If I could just go to another staff meeting. I had I had so many things I needed to get done with that organization. Let's move on. I I um found this, I have a star here, so it must be a bar. Yes, yes. I got a star. This is in the next little chapter, the Olympian male. Okay, yes. Because of course we are. I think what they're trying to say in this book is that women were doing things and then they figured out they learned how to domesticate animals. They learned that they were helpful. Remember, they were breastfeeding the baby. Oh, animals and stuff. And then they learned to farm. And they were learning to farm, and then they were doing it, and uh it was pretty small scale. But the men were like, hey, we can make this bigger. And that's when Stop production. That's when it really went awry. Yep. And this Explains it. With the buildup of stored grain, with ever-increasing Neolithic abundance in settled village sites, appeared a new male profession, grain guardian. Organized marauding began in the later Neolithic as a stored wealth increased, a maraud and marauding increased, and the males guarding the grain supplies organized more and more into a kind of standing army. Stock breeding also led to the discovery of paternity, because obviously they're watching the cows and they're because they didn't know until then. They were like, it's a miracle, the woman's a miracle, the sun and the moon, and then she grew a human, but they were breeding these animals, and that's when it came through that they were like, oh, actually, I think there's like a male-female component. Originally, the domestication of animals was a religious act, an emotional act in which the animals were first domesticated because of their symbolic connection to the great universal religions of the goddess. As men took over stock breeding, the cattle herds took on a secular aspect. They became symbols of male wealth, power, and potency. It cannot be an accident that the word capitalism comes from the Latin caput or capitellum, originally referring to a head of cattle.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Boom. Yeah. Yeah. And right and yeah, listen to that. So long as stone age hunting was a major survival occupation, it kept men busy on the peripheries of the women's camp. Hunting kept men away from home base sometimes for long periods. But it also provided a ritual focus in the cave religion. Hunting gave men a spiritual and a group identity within the worship of the great mother. So when they hunted, it was it was like a religious experience for them. And they had like a group, you know, experience. They felt like part of the group, they were part of the worship of the great mother. They were like part of it. But women's invention of agriculture and domestication of animals, together with settled village life, created a steady food abundance that rendered hunting more or less obsolete. There was suddenly a large male labor force hanging around needing occupation. So there's two things going on, which leads into what's going on. Yeah, and then you start they started working everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Because they start that's when the city started. That's when they started building.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

And then they're like how isolated men are because if they used to, and it also changes because so today when you hear bros, and a lot of bros now are really into well, actually, now they really all want to be like Sparta or they're really into Rome. Because you know they're all fascist lovers. So, anyways, but you'll hear guys talk a lot and be like, men used to hunt and blah blah blah. But I'm like, read more about how they used to hunt. It literally used to be a much more integrated and spiritual experience.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Yeah, and it was everybody, like, yeah, it was it was it was for survival, it was for this is whatever.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Like, I like this. We are told that men created civilization, but it was women's achievements in the areas of craft, cultural, and intellectual production that made civilization possible. It was women who were biologically endowed to create human society, language, and culture. And then it was men who were socially endowed by women who turned around and declared women unfit for culture, using women's biological endowment as justification for our oppression. Along with the pottery wheel and the plow, men in the Neolithic did invent one more thing professional warfare.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

I know, I know, yeah, you have looked in bucket of bumpishes, dogs. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Yeah. So that's it. There you go. Close the book. Close the book. That's it. Let's move, ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen. And gentlemen, let's go back.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Come back. This is literally, that's why I know that this is, and I'm just thinking, like, dudes can, it's very rare dudes that can listen to this stuff, even though I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

You should. You have to.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

You should. You should it is not easy to confront some of these things. I know, and it's not like it's not easy for us either. It's not easy for us either. And I also, there's other avenues of life where I've had to confront other biases and privileges. True. We all have to do it. Also, this is really, yeah, this is like connect your soul, become whole. Yes. Read this book. Let me read this quote. Even though I'm like, I could read the, I'll just read the rest of the chapter out loud. I'm just kidding. Usually most of all, you need to. This is just a little more. Most of all, for the first time, it gave men the power to control women. I.e., professional warfare allowed organized and ironed armed males to destroy the ancient female collectivity. And when they did all this, and that's I mean, and they literally, the people, you know, telling the soldiers what to do, part of warfare was offering up women for them to enslave and rape and do and guess what we still do today? Thank you. Okay, sorry. I guess you can move on to the next channel.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Same thing. Yeah, no, I know we promised, I was like, this will only be an hour episode.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

I swear.

The Dark Mother Gets Erased

SPEAKER_01 27:49

No, and by the way, these are just touch points. Yeah, we're not even like we're giving you like very, very minimal. That's what I mean. And you need to read it all. Okay, so we're going to the son's victory over the dark mother. Is there do you have any things? Um, no, I'm just basically they had to get rid of those.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Basically.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

They had to get rid of those. So they did. You see how they're doing it. They just turned into warriors and conquerors, and then they brought in the religion, right? They had to write the religion that proved there was no divine mother. It's only divine father.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

So the son's victory over the dark mother is like you said, they're trying to figure out how to make it so that the father's one that gives life.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah. And they did it. Um, they figured it out. They saw that cows could do it. Oh, yeah. And then they were like, Oh, I must have a little human in my penis. And I just shoot it into the lady and it grows. And there was like literal scientists back then, or whatever. I mean, I don't know, that's what they called them. Probably just dudes writing stuff down. Like, I had this thing come into my brain. It was like ridiculously not that long ago that they found out that women had eggs and stuff in there.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

I know.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

It was like not that long ago. I can't remember the exact date, but I was like, that's really sad. But it makes sense because we we don't even know about women's bodies today because nobody studies them.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Did you read this section that says where there were women who fought the patriarchy? Tribes of Amazons in Syria, Thrace, is that how you say it? Macedonia and Africa defended themselves from invasion and fought to preserve their matriarchal religion and culture against the onslaughts of the rising sun god. I want to know more about that.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Well, I think that's the section they were talking, women fought and they were not um Romans fought women early on. Yeah. And women were big and they were fierce and they were like, they were like, no, you're wrong. Hello, I give the birth. I think I know a little something about what's going on. Yeah. And you know what I was thinking? This is what bring you to birth. Because that was, I think that's the whole crux of it. They're like, I don't understand that. How did they, how did they grow that? I can't grow that. It's really weird. There is like a little section in here where the Hebrews allowed a lot of they called it, what was it? Like friendly homosexuality, whatever. And they were just like trying to figure out if they could make a baby. That's what I got from it. Did you remember?

SPEAKER_02 30:15

They were like, I'm only laughing because I'm like, no, it is, it's it's a thing. It's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Yeah, they were like, well, maybe we can do a call. It's called like it's not friendly, it's like friendly homosexuality. It's like the perfect homosexuality. Yes. Something like, we're gonna let you do that because we we want you to make a baby so that we don't need the women no more and we can be like, oh, we're the ones. Right? Bless our hearts. Bless our hearts. Anyway, so they really got they just got rid of us, but in that we lost, right? And then the collective consciousness forgot our divine divinity, but we're bringing it back. These ladies are bringing it back. Ladies are bringing it back.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

But you know, and so they're talking about, and this is the early moving it over to being like, actually, it's dudes that run everything. And so they had these priest-like figures no longer sensitive to the earth's spiritual energies. These priesthood were no longer themselves channels of real cosmic and terrestrial power. Instead, they resorted to conscious, deliberate manipulations of human fears, more and more frantic invocations and bloody mass sacrifices to no avail. And that is still happening today. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah, still happening. And and the Bible can justify it because they wrote it down and now it's the word of God, the daddy God. Um Sky Daddy.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

And there's a section in here where they she actually she kind of like makes not makes fun, but makes a point of showing how contradictory the Bible is. And I know people do that all the time, but she's like, I mean, for real.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Like listen.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Like, like listen.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

I guess that also made this very interesting because we did that whole women's bible.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

I thought about that the whole time I read this.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Oh, so they like brought up stories because but they talk about Cain and Abel, that's the two brothers that the one gets killed, kills the other one because God kills him because he was farming, and the other guy was doing the studding of the cattle. Animals, cattles. And I was like, I don't get it. Why did they do it? Well, now we know. Now we know. They were like, oh, oh, he was working on the earth, and they were like, together, let's kill that brother. We don't need that connection to the earth. We need the guy that's controlling the animals. That's who we want to be. All of all of it created brilliantly. It's like Project 2025. It is, but you know, in B C E.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

Yep. It makes you see that's the whole time I'm reading this, I'm like, well, now I want to go back and read the Woman's Bible again. But it it makes you see the Bible as more because it teaches you the ancient, you know, religions and goddesses and ways, then it gives you a different view of the Bible where you're like, oh, there's so much symbolism that modern people can't get. That entire Bible was the middle finger to the pagans. Yeah. Purposeful. And through and through. And they just reused a bunch of old.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

And when you're thinking, because I'm looking, they were, you know, all of the wars that we read about, like they were like, go in and kill everybody. Yeah. Oh, except the virgins. Keep those virgins. But that's what they were saying. They've like, so they made this new story up, they made the dad god, and then they destroyed all artifacts. They're like, we need to kill, we need to get rid of these pictures on this freaking cave, cover those mothers up. Yeah. Um, they destroyed all of anything that would prove that they believe something else. Yeah. Which uh again, we just keep doing the same thing, but even worse. Yeah. Right? It just keeps continuing and building and building. But thank God for historians and people that write shit down. I don't know who wrote on the Dead Sea Scrolls, but God bless you, right? I'm glad you wrote it down.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

The sun god again, this is where so it's like the moon god and the sun god, and the sun god is where like men are taking over, essentially. That's the whole thing. So through imposition of patriarchal law, religion, and custom, imperialists try to create among the conquered two hostile classes of humans, the male versus the female, no longer bound to each other by mutual respect and common history. Like you just said, they like, you know, because they erased any history of people being common. So but by mutual fear antagonized by mutual guilty need, you're gonna die for this. The manhood energy of conquered males is diverted away from rebellion and revolution and channeled into aggressive macho behavior toward women. Oh my god. Conquered. I know. That's why I'm like, oh, I know. This this is like, oh my god, I guess I feel listen to so yeah, I'm like, I die. Conquered, colonized, and enslaved males are told by their conquerors, in effect, you can't beat us, but you can beat your women.

unknown 35:38

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Yeah. And this is, you know, the history of imperialism and the history of this device and operation on the heels of women mocking Roman army. Because pr in the previous chapters or previous uh paragraphs, they talk about how Romans had Roman soldiers engaged in hand-to-hand combat with armed women who they described as equal to the tribal men and fiercer in battle. And then Romans took captured men aside and laughed at them for allowing women to be powerful and influential. So again, so then all the men were on board.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

They're like, Yeah, you're right, dude.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

So this is where they do talk about the women mock in Roman army came to the women cursing Christian missionaries, blaming all the conquered males' troubles on their evil women. Again, this is so I'm like, is this 2026? Right. Governments and religions manipulate colonized males into a betrayal of their own lives and their own people by first persuading young men to prove manhood by despising the female. That's literally America. And then native males are enrolled in the armies of their conquerors as terrorist national guards or death squads upholding fascistic dictators in power. These I know it's insane. These young men are rewarded by being allowed to rape, torture, and slaughter their own people who they have been persuaded to despise. Thus does the sun god enlist male troops in his war against the female Earth and the Earth's women. That is like literally, and this was written in 80s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:16

Yeah. So what are we doing? Actually, it started in the 70s. So it's like they had all this knowledge. But even her writing is very that's why I'm like, oh, is it? Did you write this yesterday?

unknown 37:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

So we have okay, so I'm trying to let you move to the next chapter. Even though I'm like, but wasn't that good? No, it's it is it's everything. Okay, it's everything. It's everything. So the jealous God.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yes, and they mention, and I know you've told me about this book. Um, When God was a woman. Yes. Yeah, they have that book in there.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

You know what I'm saying? We may have to- I know, we may have to like. I think we might have to. Merlin Stone. Do you think our brains could handle it? We must do it for the listeners.

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Well, yeah, because I mean they mention it here, so now I'm gonna read this.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Oh no. Oh man, Joanna just wrecked our super high-tech.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

In When God was a woman, Merlin Stone suggests that the ruling Levites, the Hebrew priest caste, were in fact of Indo-European Aryan origin and lineage, belonging to that pastoral warrior tradition of male sky gods, gods of light in the biblical Leviticus, those Levite priests introduced the earliest, most punitive and misogynistic, how do you say that, laws against women written down in those tea times? They seemed consumed with the hatred of the goddess and of women, especially the Canaanite and other neighboring matriarchal women, who in sensual joy and freedom practiced their ancient moon rites. The Levite priesthood were intent on instituting patrilineal property and inheritance rights and the father-dominated family based on women's total submission, social degradation, and spiritual disinheritance. It follows that any sexual, economic, spiritual, or cultural freedom and autonomy in women, their own tribal women, or any women in the neighborhood, was seen by the Levite priests as a threat to their new regime. The Levites were they themselves an elite class, like the Hindu Brahmins, living in luxury and serviced by slaves. Regime. The religious regime. Does that give you a different taste in your mouth?

SPEAKER_02 39:49

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

They're a regime, and we're fools.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

We are fools. We aren't the suckers.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

We're the suckers. So, anyways, they were they created a jealous god. Um well, he wasn't jealous. They created the god because they were jealous.

SPEAKER_02 40:04

Hence, we have a jealous god. And they have um so the old ecstatic holistic experience of oneness with the earth and goddess was gone. God could no longer be known, but instead had to be thought about and thought toward. That's another really big thing. That's you don't even really think where I was like, that's right, it's all in your head. And that's why they and that's why Bible stuff is so dumb, because they're like, no, no, no, it's in the it's in this book. Yeah, it is written, and that is so like imperialist and like creepy and colonizer to be like, it's right here, it's written here. It's like so right here.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

God wrote it.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

So anything you I mean me, I mean God, I mean me, I mean I wrote it. So the patriarchal priesthood must design verbal descriptions of God in the form of rules for how to act to get this God's attention. Because God is no longer all pervasively there, looking out from inside and in from the outside. Ethical maps are written down to tell the mind and soul how to reach something that is acknowledged to be distant. Yes. So they separate it, separate you from this, and then give you a book that puts men in charge.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Yeah. You have to earn happiness. I know you had it before, but like we took that.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Um now you gotta earn it and you'll get it later.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Well, not even I mean when you die. Not that I'm against happiness, but I even just mean about wholeness and like the full experience of it. But it is crazy how um I need more vocabulary, but it's like how colonized my brain is, or how whatever. That idea of being like the concept of religion being something that you experience or feel is that is so foreign. Yeah. Even me as like an I'm not even like a religious person, but you know, I'm like, oh my god, that is it was yeah, it made me and it also explains why, as kids, sitting in church, I'd be like, I don't even what the fuck? Why are we? Why are we sitting in pews?

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Sitting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

I mean, it is it's strange, it's totally strange. It's strange. And your the quote that you read mentioned, because you know I like to pick on the nuclear family.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

But that is, it's all designed that way. They're like, we're gonna put it, and now the father's in charge.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Yeah, and yeah.

Blood Taboos Purity And Hate

SPEAKER_02 42:30

It's crazy. I mean, and then we say shit in America like the founding fathers. Yes. Which I have to rein that I'm like, okay, though, so the jealous god, and you brought this up about the dirtiness of women in general, or you know, menstrual blood and all of that jazz.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

But they And they used to think it was a miracle because they're like, oh my god, she's bleeding, she's not even hurt. Yep. And it seems to be connected to the moon, maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

I know they're like, we don't know So here thus in Leviticus, the Levite priests wrote down extremely punitive taboos and spiritual laws against female blood, menstrual blood, childbirth blood. What had been sacred for so long, the mother's bleeding for life, was rewritten as a process of filth, shame, and physical spiritual corruption. And that's how and then my little note I was like, that's why we are the way we are. My note says, I want to give ECS a call. Yeah. I want to call Elizabeth Katie Stanton and be like, oh my god, have you read this book? Yeah, they got it. Because that's what our Victorian ladies back in the last season they call that stuff out, but they didn't have this this new archaeological knowledge and stuff like that yet.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Thank God someone did this research. As then like Thank God, thank the goddess. Well, this will be the last. When we talk about for now, if that's okay. Jealous God?

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Yeah. We'll finish the jealous God. Let's talk more about menstrual blood. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

Uh I had so but they also just ended like the joy of sexual attraction and everything. They had to end all that too. Because if you're thinking about that, then how can you think about God? But yet, um, I believe the priests were doing whatever the hell they wanted.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

Of course, as as always. Now that I've had it put this way, where how important it was to remove our wholeness and our sense of divineness from our body, it had to be an asexual God. And everything, and that is why that's why it had to be a virgin birth. Yeah. And and that is why to this day, so many of these evangelicals and these like ultra Christian folks, they're obsessed with sex and genitalia and LGBTQ. Oh, and they even turn it, yeah. Fucking obsessed with it.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Because it is so repressed.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

They are so repressed. Yeah. They are so repressed. Yeah. Like open your mind.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

As Carrie would say, watch some heated rival rings change your life. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Just like release your inhibitions. Turn on the tube, okay. Let it go. Just watch it. But they were they do talk in this book even about the industry of porn and how that's like become a money thing, but it was all it's part of the design, the repression and the But they commodified it.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

So they remove women from their bodies, but they can use it as long as men can make money.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Which will also, yeah, and also make men also hate women still. Right. Like it's all weird and tight. Keeps them separate. Keeps them separate. Separate us. Yes. Separating us. Yes. And men should be mad about that too. They should be. I thought this was interesting. They would talk about because they bring in the Bible, of course. The Bible is a big part of this, which is, I mean, it is Christianity is the farthest spreading. It's very effective to have warriors where especially when you're coming in and you're just like killing entire villages, which is documented in the Bible. Right. So it's not like they were ashamed of it. They were like, we're doing the good work.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

And think about the other thing, too, it's all coming together. You separate people from their bodily life and their bodily connection to the earth. It's probably easier to slaughter bodies. True.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

Yeah. Yeah. We're different. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all part of the plan. It's all part of the I'm calling it. It's the I'm calling it. We have to stop. We are ending it. We are ending the illusion. Um, and we are getting back to Mother Earth. That's how it was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Oh, yeah. Okay, we have a good one too after you read it.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

When holy war mentality is joined with such women hatred, there is the targeted slaughtering of women and children as bloodbearers of the hated neighboring religions and cultures. The book of Ezekiel reeks with it. Quote, slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women, but come not near any man upon whom is the mark. Fill the courts with the slain. Ezekiel 9, 6 through 7. Doesn't that sound like something you'd want to follow?

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Like worship that. I know. I think Pig um Keg Seth would like that.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

I would be like, just gonna bring him up. I was like, as soon as we bring up Old Testament shit, I'm like, this reminds me of our Secretary of Defense that calls himself Secretary of the Defense. Secretary of War. She repeats throughout, and there's just these different points about again the separation of body and trying to like other and filthify everything. Sexual moralism builds on this fetishism to a pathological degree, filling people with an alienating sense of their own and others' bodily filth, with the fear and aberrance of the body and its activities, and with projective systems that insist on the uncleanliness of strangers and others, including the doctrines of racial purity and racial impurity. These sexual moralisms and purity fetishes, originally a misreading of pagan energy channeling techniques, have laid the basis for racism as well as misogynistic sexism. They also lead to a revulsion against the sick, the elderly, and the disabled. And this again to this day to today today. Today. Today.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Oh, they vote like that in the Bible. In the women's Bible. Today.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

That's why I'm like, I get it now. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Today.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Today. In the Old Testament, priests of Yahweh were required to be pure, physically perfect. No person with an illness, with a handicap, or blemish. All of this. So it just goes on to talk about this. So to this very day, that's what we look at. I didn't know I'm curious about this. And listen, listeners, I'm gonna look into this where they talk about how it was a mis misreading of pagan energy channeling techniques.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

Yeah, well well, if you listen, in the old testament, I'll bring it back, is the metaphor of the king who builds his house above a privy. Oh, yep, yeah, yep. This seems to refer to the ecstatic orgyastic rites practiced by the Canaanites in honor of the goddess, which the Hebrew patriarchs and the prophets could not see anything but prostitution and vile whorishness. The opinion of the Hebrew patriarchs that human sexual activity is basically vile and of the gutter and ultimately of the devil was echoed centuries later by Tertullian, an intellectual father of the early Christian church, who proclaimed that quote, women is a temple over a sewer.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_01 50:10

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. And they ruined it for themselves. That's a funny part. I know. Exactly. That's how funniest part. Jokes on you. Jokes on you, loser.

What Changes Next And Listener Prompts

SPEAKER_02 50:20

They ruined it. Do you know what is so fun? Besides being like women or whatever above a sewer. Is um so reading this, and hopefully, listeners, you've followed along with the women's Bible thing, but reading how she talks about the Canaanites so much in here and how they relate to they almost are like symbolic of the pagans. It sheds so much light on. I'm like, I need to go back and we need to don't listen to our last season. We need to redo it. We're gonna redo it. No, but we we uh should expand on it. Yeah, and to that point, um, one of the things I want to leave people listening, if you have been listening this long, thank you. Oh my god, you're the best. You're the best. But to see, we're going through this, you know. We try I'm trying to give you some of our insights and commentary and stuff that we know, and we know a bit because we're like grown-ass women, that's right, educated and been around, read some shit and whatever. But a lot of times I read this and I'm like, I don't know anything. Yeah, like after that.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Which is it's actually really good in these times to go, oh, there's more. Like we're not stuck.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

There's so many possibilities.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

So many possibilities, but also even the experience of I'm curious how it is to listen to this podcast, and just so people know. Yeah, even I even think back to our first episode about the great cosmic mother, and I'm like, oh, I could even do better now because I'm like, I get more. I get why that lady read it four times.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Yes, exactly. Sandra.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

So when you're following along with us, you know, hope you know, keep that in mind. And this is really like we're learning the together in a way.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

So Yeah, this is like me blooming right in front of you. Oh my gosh, what I'm treating. I'm a new human. Thanks, Sarah Kay.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

And we said we selected this book because it does challenge the I mean, the foundational knowledge that we have been, I say like spoon-fed or it's been like force-fed to us. And I know that I've accepted a lot of it just being like, that's you know, I don't know. How much time do people have to question literally everything? Yeah, you're working. And you've got to work for the machine, man. But I gotta say, and I've read some books that like shook my brain up. I gotta say, this up there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Oh, yeah. It's up there. This is way above the Celestian Provinces. I love you. I know I can't. That was my first leg, whoa, I can't see the energy.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

I'm not like, but like, yeah, exactly. Right. It is so good. It's so good. It's so good. You gotta I think I've already said that. So I guess we are going to, as much as I said we're only gonna do a couple episodes per book, but you know, we'll still, you know, this one's gonna be, we'll at least do one more to get through because we still have probably like eight or nine more chapters. Um and then seeing how this one went, I'm like, okay, I'll be even more organized next time.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Oh yeah, I told you I'm getting the sticky notes post-its so life is gonna change. I'm gonna put like sticky note one. Yeah, quote number two. Yeah. I mean we got sticky notes. It's spring break. So that might be the only episode I do it. So I'll I had time to kill.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

We got sticky notes coming at you, and I would love to invite you. We want to hear what you think.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

Please begin. Talk to us. Talk to us, moon goddesses. Yeah, what are you feeling?

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Like have you started to listen to the book, or did you get a copy? And what book made you flip out like we're flipping out about this book?

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Yeah, give me another book because we are ready to bite all the freaking apples.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

That's right. We're ready for fiber. Give it all. That's right. So um, check our show notes. We're really gonna be boosting those up too to supplement some.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

So when we say we, we mean Sarah.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Yeah. Boosting the notes. Because we want to have a lot, because we know like this is kind of like a free-forming or free free-flowing conversation with quotes. We don't always get everything right, but I correct a lot of stuff in the show notes. So, anyways, till next time.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

Thank you so much. We're gonna be back, and you're gonna be more mind blown. That's right. You're gonna have to lose some hair and plug.