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Biting All The Apples
Biting All The Apples is an unhinged bookclub-ish conversation that channels the sassy wisdom of long dead victorian feminists to analyze the puritanical influences still messing with our world today. We start off with the 1895 best seller "The Woman's Bible" by Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Each week we cover their 19th century feminist analysis of a book in the bible and ponder, laugh, and cry over the similarities to the issues of today.
This is a great listen for anyone interested in the patriarchal influence in religion, politics, and social order. As well as anyone that is GenX or any generation, anyone that likes comedy, books, history, and thinkin.
Biting All The Apples
Yielding The Ghost and Other Things Women Did in The Book of Acts
Uncovering the hidden history of women in the early church, this episode dives deep into the Book of Acts as viewed through Elizabeth Cady Stanton's groundbreaking feminist lens. Sara Kaye and Joanna V reunite to explore what Victorian feminists discovered about women's roles in spreading Christianity – roles that male religious authorities have systematically erased over centuries.
Through stories like Sapphira (who died for obeying her husband's deception), Rhoda (whose truthful words were dismissed by men), and Lydia (a successful businesswoman), we discover that women were far more central to early Christianity than traditional interpretations admit. The hosts examine how these biblical women challenge the narrative of female submission that has dominated religious discourse.
The most explosive revelation comes from Ellen Battelle Dietrick, one of Stanton's collaborators, who argues that many biblical passages subordinating women were likely "bare-faced forgeries" inserted by "unscrupulous bishops" intent on silencing women. She points to a critical "missing link" of 500 years between Old Testament texts and New Testament compilation that calls into question the historical accuracy of how the Bible portrays gender roles.
This episode doesn't just reinterpret ancient stories – it provides a powerful framework for understanding how religious texts have been manipulated to justify women's oppression. As Sara Kaye says, "We are not sliding back. Public discourse has slid back." Join us for this thought-provoking exploration of biblical history that reminds women everywhere: you are sovereign.
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Chibi Jabber, there's Chibi. I'm like Joanna. Do you think you could try to be like fun? Not?
Speaker 2:with the Bible? I don't think there's. I don't think there's fun.
Speaker 1:I'm like, do you think you could try to put some fun in it, or you just want to stay dry?
Speaker 2:Well, I think someone should have thought about the fun when they wrote it. That's right. Ain't no fun in the Bible.
Speaker 1:You know what, if that's right, ain't no fun in the Bible. You know what If you mix the words around in Bible? It says Libby.
Speaker 2:Libby, that's fun, that's fun. How fun is that? I'm like Libby. Hey, grab your Libby Grab your Libby. Come on over, grab your Libby.
Speaker 1:Libs Liberals. It's the podcast that Sassy Serpent warned you about. Welcome to Biting All the Apples, where two gals discuss one radical book, the best-selling critical and comedic masterpiece from 1895, the Woman's Bible by Elizabeth Cady Stanton. What a lady, what a gal. I love her. I'm Sarah Kay.
Speaker 2:I'm Joanna V.
Speaker 1:We've got the co-hosts back together to talk about the world-famous biblical book of Acts, through the lens of Victorian feminists, of course, and you know what our summary is Acts ain't that bad for women, pretty good I mean. You know, elizabeth Cady Stanton even says so. Of course there are some caveats. We're here for the caveats. Can't wait to talk about that and more, right after you hear our handy, friendly and fabulous disclaimers.
Speaker 2:Biting All the Apples covers analysis of religious texts. Some listeners that are religious out of the need for the illusion of certainty may find the content offensive. Biting All the Apples also discusses historic texts and feminist movements. We recognize that individuals, groups and alternative movements have been left out of mainstream history. We will note that whenever possible, we are open to additional information provided to us in the spirit of expanding knowledge.
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Speaker 1:I feel like we could do almost an interactive listener thing. You know, if you can tell us how many times you heard the cat?
Speaker 2:you're going to get a prize, because it's like a little bit quiet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because she's got that beautiful voice. It's like sing song, oh shit, Because she's very. She's got that beautiful voice.
Speaker 2:It's like sync. So how have you been? I missed you last week.
Speaker 1:But it also feels like it was like three weeks Right, it wasn't. We've been doing this, we've been doing this, but it was that one week off. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was a what a week. I know I'm still drowning, but it's fine, it's great. I like being underwater Gasping for air, gasping for air.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's not like you're in charge of a bunch of impressionable kids or anything.
Speaker 2:It's a big responsibility, yeah, and then you know, but I have missed a lot of current events, which has been nice because I'm just drowning in non-current events. Yeah, so lovely. How about you? Any?
Speaker 1:distractions. No, I've just been straight watching the news.
Speaker 2:I'm just soaking it all in.
Speaker 1:I'm soaking it all in? No, I do. I make a concerted effort to consume something creative and literary that's good, before anything else happens. And you've been lovely flowers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and I got my flowers, and so the world.
Speaker 1:When we say the world, well, it probably is the world. Anyways, I think it is the world. The nation is having a really hard time and climate change is a thing, but I'm telling you, after several summers of growing flowers, the pollinators this year popping. Yeah, popping, I'm almost like hey, monarchs, go to the next place, Stop taking my nectar. We've got bees. We've got several different kinds of butterflies. Oh my gosh, Hummingbirds See Ruby.
Speaker 2:Being outside Throated. Oh Mm-hmm, see, that's a miracle, that's the wonder that is the wonder. That's the things that you know. Like, hey, we humans we're not that special, we're not that special, we're actually just like a scourge.
Speaker 1:We are a scourge, and the bees and butterflies. I'm just curious if anybody else has seen more. It seems like a lot more than ever.
Speaker 2:You know what? It's been so humid here, I could not force myself to go outside. And now that the weather is nice, I cannot go outside because I'm literally at work till eight o'clock, because I switched to grade levels, and it's a lot, it's a lot, it is a lot. You think it's not, it's a lot.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this, reading the book of Acts, or at least what they selected in the women's Bible it actually wasn't that entertaining for me.
Speaker 2:No, it was very dry. Yeah, it was like literally acts of what people were doing, like I mean at least it's like they sold us a bill of goods with this title.
Speaker 1:Super literal Like this is what Peter did, yeah, and Paul did this, and he did this and people were there they're like literally letters about which is probably why I mean I think I mentioned it in the last episode, but this is another one where they have their selection and then they just are like reiterate what happens. And you're like yeah, girl Saw it, was there, read it, saw it, read it. Yeah, have the yeah, reiterate what happens.
Speaker 2:And you're like yeah, girl, saw it, was there, read it, saw it, read it. Yeah, have the receipts.
Speaker 1:But before we get into the sorry, I'm not checking, I'm like I'm checking all my social medias.
Speaker 2:She just left and she's just checking the news.
Speaker 1:No, I did not have, I'm just checking.
Speaker 2:I didn, but you reminded me that I took a screenshot yesterday for some reason, and I can't. I was like, oh, I took a screenshot because but I can't remember what the hell it was I was really took one screenshot. I took two. No, I take a lot, but I take a lot of screenshots. But two to do with oh good, good.
Speaker 1:At first I thought you were like. I took a screenshot yesterday. Have you ever?
Speaker 2:Have you ever? Have you ever done?
Speaker 1:that you press two buttons at the same time Whole screen.
Speaker 2:I take screenshots of so much stuff and never go back.
Speaker 1:Which is why I cannot stand when people are like, if you show them a picture on their phone, they grab your phone. I'm like don't be scrolling through that shit.
Speaker 2:I know, look, you're going to see Like more than like. I mean. Look, there's a lot of screenshots and now I have pictures of other people's Just for fun.
Speaker 1:What were your last Other people's lesson plans Like? What were your last?
Speaker 2:like few screenshots of Well, I do screenshot memes instead of saving them, for some reason.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know why. I don't know why.
Speaker 2:And but let's see what do I got? Oh, I have a conversation with my daughter via text that you screenshotted, I screenshotted and then I sent it to my husband. I could have just wrote what she said, but that seemed appropriate, so, and now I have it. Okay, what is this? Oh, about food the CDC food being bad. So it's from an article. Okay, and it was the food that you should not eat anymore, because no one is checking it and I'm like this I'll need, but will I ever find it when?
Speaker 1:I need it. I know there's a few foods they could tell me to be like it's bad. Now I'd be like well, it's everything healthy.
Speaker 2:That's the kind of funny thing that I thought about. It was like it's probably like lettuce, yeah, yeah. Yeah, A cheese. Ice cream, smoked fish, leafy greens, raw vegetables, sprouted seeds, fresh herbs, berries, fresh cut fruit, prepackaged bag salads.
Speaker 1:I have one of the screenshots. I screenshotted the warning about how no one's ever going to be able to get the COVID vaccine ever again. Oh, yeah, and I sent that to you and Carrie, so I spread misinformation.
Speaker 2:Oh, is it misinformation?
Speaker 1:Oh I have no idea. It came from a reputable source. Well.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you that someone else told me that yeah. And she's a specialist in infectious disease and runs a lab and was like go get your shot right now. So it's like I think that's legit. Yeah, that's a good screenshot and for historical purposes, Exactly when someone finds your phone with 8 million screenshots- when ICE finds my phone, they'll be like I don't take her out Other screenshot Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift's engagement ring.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good one. That's a good screenshot. I'm not even particularly a huge fan but I was like I just had to confirm that. Oh, screenshot of a list of gear that our local sheriff's department.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh my God, what kind of craziness is that. Do you see how much money? They got the most money in Michigan, and I think it's because you know they're buddies, they hosted it.
Speaker 1:There's a website you can check and see how much your county this is in all 50 states how much they received from the new DOD. Budget Like a budget I started that sentence sounding like I was going to just really deliver information. I go from the new money, From the new Trump sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so they all these places you can look up and see what your police department got, what they bought with the money. So it's a little frightening, to be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mind-resistant vehicle, night vision goggle truck, van tactical recon kit, telescope, flashlight, thermal sight.
Speaker 2:So that's just. And this is more frightening because I know that the 2A group is very local here.
Speaker 1:You know the Second Amendment group yeah Well, this is a second amendment, sanctuary.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah and this dude that got all this stuff is a nut job, and just to know that a agricultural community got a mine resistant vehicle and some night scopes.
Speaker 1:I'm just it's weird.
Speaker 2:It's weird, it's a sign of the times peeps. That's a good screenshot.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my other screenshot was from a group I'm in. It's a teacher group and it was about the new Michigan State school superintendent. And then it's all these comments from people who worked with him saying that he's like a complete nut job.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:But I heard it on the news and they just said like he's got great schools and I'm like, well, according to the people that actually work for him disagree yeah.
Speaker 1:I got the screenshots, but I've been screenshotting.
Speaker 2:I'll never use them because it's a private group and I will never use them. But I just needed it for my own, for your screenshot collection for my screenshot.
Speaker 1:I know just I want to know listen, listeners, tell us the last five things you screenshotted. Yeah, don't you want to know? Now I had, I know that we were talking about acts. Oh, because I did have something to bring up. Oh, about acts, and then we can get, because we started talking about how they were. It's kind of drier, oh yes, with the women's bible thing, and it's relatively short. What's it like?
Speaker 1:three, four pages yeah, it's not um so seeing acts I'm, you know, I'm on the internet you're on the I'm on the internet and I am on the blue sky and someone's like oh look, peter Thiel's given a lecture on the Bible. And they show a shot of Peter Thiel and it looks like a picture of him, probably from when he was like 21. And he's totally photoshopped, because I'm like I've seen that dude, he doesn't look like that. That's not the point, though. It's not the picture, okay, but that's weird. But his so he's given a lecture on the Bible and his whole Christianity group. Do you know this that they're trying to bring back, or they're trying to fuse Christianity with kind of like this tech god situation? What Are you kidding?
Speaker 2:me you have not heard of this. No, is this real Guess?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's real. Guess what his group's name is Acts 17. Oh my God, joanna's dead. We're going to try to continue. I just fell over. That's crazy. Yeah, so an Acts stands for acknowledging Christ in technology and society, and I guess last week he was talking about that.
Speaker 2:Wait, so God lives in technology. Is that what they're saying?
Speaker 1:Well, what I I mean Because I'm pretty sure it's Satan A ton, a ton of great writers and investigative journalists have written on this, and I'll link to some articles that I've Wait on the and I'll link to some articles that I've Wait on that group, On this whole these tech bros, how they're trying to get people into Christianity. I don't even know if they're trying to get people, but it's because they see themselves as godlike.
Speaker 2:And so I'll link to some good. I'm not going to do it justice.
Speaker 1:But this is my own hot take is. To me, it just further proves that Christianity is a setup and it is a way for usually men to put themselves in power because they're like we're going to use the. I mean like I don't know if we've lived through a time where somebody has co-opted it, I'm sure back in what was it? Constantine's days a similar thing happened. They're like we're going to all of a sudden actually, yeah, let's get into this, Jesus guy.
Speaker 1:And that's like who I am and the Lord and kings. You know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean I don't have a very complete thesis on this, but my own thing from us doing this project is I'm like it goes right in line with what we keep on bringing back. Yes, it's just continuing the historical precedence which is. We're going to co-opt this and make it so that I can use it for myself.
Speaker 1:And is it co-opting, or is Christianity just male power? Gosh, that's a hard one, yeah, think about it.
Speaker 2:I'm a little sad Because, you know, I really like Jesus. I like all the things that Jesus does, Cindy.
Speaker 1:So I feel like why can't we just have the book of Jesus and call it a day, but the thing is there's been tons of guys that have been as nice as Jesus. That is true and actually lots of women. Yeah, yes, there's been tons of guys that have been as nice as Jesus.
Speaker 2:That is true, and actually lots of women. Yeah, yes, there have, and that's what? And I bet the real Jesus would be like why? How did I get wrapped up in this, like for real? I mean, I just was like get the money out of society, basically, and then you totally even screw that up, get my name out of your mouth.
Speaker 1:And all the mouths in the future, right? So yeah, acts is a book in the Bible. It's also the name of Peter Thiel's nerd club, nerd church. Nerd church I don't even want to call them nerds, though. I know it's like. Nerd church sounds cool.
Speaker 2:I know Bible it's also the name of Peter Thiel's nerd club, nerd church, nerd church I don't even want to call them nerds though I know it's like nerd church sounds cool. I know I would go to that.
Speaker 1:I would go to that. Just evil overlord. There you go, thank you. So all right, we're just trying to get into this Bible.
Speaker 2:Like the ladies picked a whole bunch of sections and they barely said anything about them except for, like, what actually happened, yeah In the thing, although actually sometimes it's quite helpful because I'm like what actually did that say? And they just like say it and I'm like, oh, thank you. Yeah, that was my question when I finished reading the actual words from the Bible, although even then. In 1895, they were way more in tune with the Bible.
Speaker 2:Oh, so much, so so they say things and I'm like, oh, I still need to look that up. So the first one. So tell me what's the book? Honestly, the one that my favorite was the first one, just because there's a story about a man and a wife, ananias and his wife Sapphira I think that is her name.
Speaker 2:I love that. But they pretend to be good and give all their money away, but in actuality they just lied and they said they gave it all and they kept some money and then, wah, they're dead. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. But I like how they said it.
Speaker 1:They said yielded up the ghost and I was like, what does that mean? Like did they call up a?
Speaker 2:ghost, or I mean, does it mean give up? The guy thought he was dead, but yeah, they just yield up their soul, I guess. Oh, but they're still alive. No, they're dead, oh no, they did, that's.
Speaker 1:Oh, now you tell me, this is horrible.
Speaker 2:They yield up the ghost. And then, um, well, first it was just the husband, because they were like hey, that's not good. And he, um, and then the woman came around and they were like yo, woman, didn't you know. And she was like well, kind of, and they were like you're dead. But then the ladies are just like well, obedience of one responsible being to another may oftentimes prove dangerous, even if the command comes from a husband, because, remember, it's all obedience at that point, that's right.
Speaker 2:And they're like. She listened to him and oof off, her ghost went. She had to yield her ghost. She had to yield her ghost. All because of that dang husband, Greedy husband.
Speaker 1:But that was my favorite one. That is good. Yeah, I think I highlighted that where I was like dude's typical Typical.
Speaker 2:The other one is Dorcas oh. Dorcas, I just like her name.
Speaker 1:Is that again? Is that how you who cares?
Speaker 2:That's how we're pronouncing it. That's how they said it in the Audible, so I'm going with. It's got to be Dorcas. This is.
Speaker 1:Acts 9, right 36. Okay, it's got to be Dorcas. This is Acts 9, right 36-41.
Speaker 2:Dorcas, what's her deal with Tabitha? I didn't really get it because she was a great woman.
Speaker 1:There's so many that I'm like what, I didn't get it. I didn't get it.
Speaker 2:Well, she was a great woman. She died and then, all of a sudden, peter came and rose her up, even though she was sick and old, and he just said rise up. And she rose up and she was alive again. So she was so great she became alive again, and that's like literally it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I do like this that Elizabeth writes. This is the first instance of any apostle performing a miracle of this kind. There was no witness to this miracle. What men teach in their high places, such women as dorkus, illustrate in their lives.
Speaker 2:snap, yeah, yeah yeah, that's all you really need to know that's good.
Speaker 1:She was like yeah, see this part. Yeah, typical. She's like I don't even know witness.
Speaker 2:Oh nice miracle yeah, and, and she probably did it herself because no one was there to witness. She was probably like rise up myself, I'm back alive.
Speaker 1:She's like sure. And the next one Acts 16. Oh, yes, Okay. What do you got for this? It has a damsel in it.
Speaker 2:I like a good damsel. So basically, all these apostles were just like walking around and doing good deeds. Apparently the king had put some of them in jail because obviously King Herod wanted them all dead, because he only wanted people worshiping him.
Speaker 1:That dude sounds like somebody I know, right, I know, does he?
Speaker 2:have like yellow hair.
Speaker 1:He's got a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of similarities in the orange buffoon. Yeah, because he keeps showing up and I'm like it's our guy. It's our guy Sounds like an idiot. Like what idiot would be? Like I'm going to kill all the babies.
Speaker 1:I know like relax.
Speaker 2:I think one's going to grow up to be a king.
Speaker 1:Yeah, relax, just do your king thing. Yeah, relax, just do your king thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, enjoy your, enjoy your fiefdom yeah, and have your gold and drink out of your goblet. But, leave the rest of us alone. But then they talk about angels. So he had. He was supposed to be in jail but he showed up and there was a woman that saw Peter and she was like guys, I just saw Peter and they're like you're crazy. She's like no, like legit, just saw Peter and and then Peter kept knocking because she's like no, he's out here, and they're like no, and so Peter's like oh my God, peter.
Speaker 2:And she's like dude. I told you that but they wouldn't believe her. They thought she was crazy. Then they were like the Lord took me out of prison and totally disregard the fact that the lady had already told like guys, peter's here. An angel took him out and they were like no, no, no. And then it took Peter to come in and be like pa-da, pa-da, I'm Peter, and no, no.
Speaker 1:And then it took peter to come in and be like I'm peter here and she's still standing there, like I just said that so, to recap, nobody believes women, but men can write stories about like burning bushes, talking asses, bringing people back from the dead. Nobody sees any of this, but they're like trust me everybody's like sounds right on and then these women, just like what's her face a couple chapters ago, who was like an angel said to name my son John, and they're like okay let's get your husband in here.
Speaker 2:You gotta name the dad, and the dad's like name him John. And they're like okay, let's get your husband in here. You gotta name the day. And the dad's like name him Jeff. And they're like oh, okay, yeah, craytown, it's a mad name so the ladies said, um, so they had all.
Speaker 2:All these people were like followers of Peter's. So they were like, although they all were often praying for Peter's deliverance, they could not believe Rhoda when she said that Peter stood knocking at the gate and when, really like hello, you prayed for this. And she's saying, why wouldn't you be like, oh, prayers have been answered.
Speaker 1:No, they're like nah it's Rhoda, you know she is.
Speaker 2:Rhoda, you know she is no way. Isn't that funny? Yeah, that's ridiculous, and I just wrote why were they praying if you didn't believe that it was gonna work?
Speaker 1:yeah, isn't that a sin?
Speaker 2:is it?
Speaker 1:a sin not to believe? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean if you're praying like, if you're pretending being raised Catholic like I absorbed that.
Speaker 1:That was like if you don't believe, it's wrong um, well, well, yeah, you go to hell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't remember that. Well, that was okay.
Speaker 1:I remember correctly, that was my because that was my first questioning.
Speaker 2:Like when I started, like questioning, I'm like, okay, like I love, I love the things jesus is doing. But like if, if we are following what he says and I says, then why would we say these people that are doing good things but they're Buddhists can't go to heaven? Like they're not doing anything bad, but just because you don't believe in my guy, you can't go. And I had a real problem with that because I'm like that doesn't seem fair.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't make any sense, right? What did they say? Were they like you may't seem fair and it doesn't make any sense, right?
Speaker 2:What did they say Were?
Speaker 1:they like you may never repeat what you just said.
Speaker 2:They're like shh no, they're basically like you're such a teenager, you know those are like don't.
Speaker 1:They're like. Life will beat you down soon enough. You won't have any thoughts or opinions of your own.
Speaker 2:Right Little did they know. Well, we should move on to a certain woman named Lydia. Do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, certain woman. This is Acts 16. Yeah Right, Isn't that what we did? I love a certain woman.
Speaker 2:So the certain woman named Lydia, and then later a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination, so she was divine.
Speaker 1:Anyways.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was funny, but she was a soothsayer. I love soothsayers and she was good and she was well, I don't know if she was good or she was corrupt, she might have just been a little, you know, craft magician. She had masters, though, so she was kind of like a slave soothsayer and she was making them lots of money right Yep yep, now Lydia just sold purple clothes which apparently was a popular color.
Speaker 1:I like to hear what Elizabeth says. She was a merchant who trafficked in purple clothes. Purple clothes.
Speaker 2:And I love some purple clothes. I love a purple cloth, some cloth.
Speaker 1:I love a purple cloth, some cloth.
Speaker 2:But yeah, they sent Peter and they brought the spirit of evil out of the soothsayer. And man, the masters were mad. Yeah, they were like that soothsayer, that certain damsel was my moneymaker, that's right. And they rose up and went after him. And so basically, peter did, paul did, a good thing by bringing this evil spirit out of this lady. And of course, the magistrates were nuts about it because they weren't making any money oh, because they think that susane is evil is evil.
Speaker 2:Right right, because it's not the magic of the burning bush. Right Right, it was like its own magic, right, its own magic.
Speaker 1:And they're like you, just cost us a lot of money. This is ridiculous. It's like De Niro in Casino. It is, it is. Do you know what I'm talking about? You know where I'm going with this? Go when he could pick all the winners for the sports books, and the big mob bosses were like you, don't let anybody mess with him. Just like that. It is exactly like that. In fact, I'll have to ask Marty if he based Casino on Acts 16. What else we got? Acts 18.
Speaker 2:So this takes place in Greece. Oh, yes, but then he moves to Syria. They just bebopped all around back in the yeah Well, how were they bebopping on? I don't Camels, camels by foot, donkeys. Of course Asses. Yeah, gotta, take an, ass.
Speaker 1:An ass can get you pretty far, can really get you far, a good ass opens doors.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this one is a lovely lady, she and her husband, priscilla, and Aquila.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2:Aquila. They were tent makers, yeah, and Paul ended up staying with them, which was nice because not everybody was welcoming to the apostles.
Speaker 1:Oh, and they were like come on in. They were probably like you guys are dirty hippies, Right Sat cloth.
Speaker 2:Pretty much. You're like get out of here yeah get out of here but these people. They were like come on in and they let him live with them for a couple months. And they're like learn to make tents. And he was like okay, so obviously the apostles hardworking working as well.
Speaker 1:That's right. It was an excellent custom of those days for educated people to be also instructed in some mechanical trade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think the story was like this is what.
Speaker 1:This is, one where I really was like why is this in the women's Bible?
Speaker 2:I guess maybe because even the woman was revered like she wasn't thought of as less than oh, thank you. Yeah, they, they were like they were a team, the husband and wife that's right. Not only that the guy wasn't telling her what to do.
Speaker 1:Um, they were like a team that's right, because in this next super short passage from acts 21, with this oh, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to say that, but that sounds good.
Speaker 1:Caesarea, caesarea, caesarea.
Speaker 2:Caesarea.
Speaker 1:I don't really get what the story is. Somebody has four daughters. They were endowed with a gift of prophecy and perhaps they gave limitations to Paul.
Speaker 2:He had it's like very short. He was a deacon Philip and he had lovely daughters apparently. I don't know why they have to say they were virgins. First of all, how did they know? Were they going around checking? I know All these virgins. Did they have like a virgin?
Speaker 1:checker. They probably did. I think we don't want to ask.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're probably right. Oh my God, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness. Well, okay, you're right. So, because this goes into, I think she just put it as an example to show what she says later. Women are quite highly honored in the book of Acts. If we accept the tragedy of the unfortunate wife who obeyed her husband, yeah, which was the first story we heard right, yeah, where she was like. I just followed what he said and they're like you got to give up the ghost Now you're dead, so all of what he said and they're like.
Speaker 2:You got to give up the ghost. Now you're dead, so she's like, but I obeyed, like.
Speaker 1:This is what you told me to obey, I should have read the first part of this, with philip's four daughters all endowed with the spirit of prophecy, and priscilla as a teacher of great principles to the orators of her time and one of paul's chosen traveling companions. Women are quite highly honored in the book of acts, so that was why she put that in there. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean they were.
Speaker 1:And so when Paul was traveling around, right yeah, he was like, yeah, I hung out with women, but, as we've learned, they always did. Always, and there were women involved in all of that. They just didn't get painted into the big picture.
Speaker 2:And they were even judges and priests and all that Goodness. And they were even judges and priests and all that Goodness. They were there. Yeah, they're in the history books. And then we just kind of got away with it oh.
Speaker 1:Drusilla. Yeah, this very last one. This is Acts, acts 24, verse 24, 25.
Speaker 2:Yes, we got Felix and Drusilla and they were married. Now, drusilla was a daughter of Herod, but she was married to a king, but she left him to live with this guy, Felix.
Speaker 1:I didn't know. Felix was like a biblical name.
Speaker 2:Actually a lot of these.
Speaker 1:I'm like really I know I'm like Sephora Actually that does sound kind of ancient. Sorry, that wasn't a good example Felix, yeah, deb yeah, deborah yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:And then so. But Felix really was not a Christian, but he was interested in the whole thing. So he asked the apostle to come and teach him about it. But he wasn't really interested, he was just curious, and so was the wife. By the way, the wife had beheaded someone before. So I mean. Side note, not high character, the wife.
Speaker 1:by the way, the wife had beheaded someone before so I mean side note not high I'm thinking well, who is the guy that's not judger? Oh, it's james, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what james did, but um I don't think it's a good thing to behead someone. I'm just gonna throw that out there, no matter what oh yeah, it's messy it's the cleanup, the cleanup.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, no, yeah but this closing by ebd just has me like oh my gosh, and that's ellen batil dietrich, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, she's a baddie. She is such a baddie and she's the one that passed away before they were. She did not see the publishing of the second part of Women's Bible.
Speaker 2:And she also wrote her own book. It was written in 1897, and it was literally just called Women in Early Christian Ministry. I know, yeah, and the subtitle is a reply to this dude that she calls out in here.
Speaker 1:Oh, do tell yeah, bring it together.
Speaker 2:Bring it together girl, yeah, so the subtitle of her book was A Reply to Bishop Doan Ooh. So I just want you to know that Doan was a bishop in New York and he was the very first bishop to build a cathedral in the United States and it was very expensive, by the way, and he really didn't like women. Oh, shocker, shocker, shocker, shocker. He was active in speaking out against the women's suffrage. And here's a nod to the current times. And here's a nod to the current times. Believe that women's natural place was in the home, taking care of the children.
Speaker 1:Oh, there it is, it's natural, it's the natural Side question. I was thinking about this as because last week I learned that Jesus only talked to his mom three times in the Bible.
Speaker 2:Did you already know that? No, I did not. I mean, I never thought about it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, she's not mentioned a lot and I was like it's so funny this whole like family values thing. I'm curious. I wonder if any listeners know when did this family values thing get attached? Because we've worked our way through this Bible and there actually isn't anything about that stuff. There is some stuff that's like honor the father and mother, but from the stuff we've read in context it's more like yeah, so if they want to sacrifice you to death, you have to honor that. It has nothing to do with the nuclear family that.
Speaker 1:America has attached to Christianity Nothing to do with it? I don't see it, and if anybody can show me where?
Speaker 2:Please bring it to us. Because, all I've seen is men taking multitudes of women and just having scores of children. There's no traditional in that, and I've seen some really nasty mothers that don't even care about their kids.
Speaker 1:Yes, Also In the Bible. Also all of the apostles left their families.
Speaker 2:Oh true.
Speaker 1:They all left their families Absolutely. And they don't write about their families. So, like where connect that for us?
Speaker 2:Yeah, please. Please If you could connect the dots. And it has to be like legit, be like legit.
Speaker 1:It has to be legit. Don't give me any read the Bible. Yeah, show me.
Speaker 2:You need to give me the page that I can find in my Bible too, right, okay?
Speaker 1:Okay, and then we're going to call up Elizabeth Cady Stanton and she's going to come down from the heavens. We're going to resurrect her Because we are connected. Yes, we are. I feel like we are we are Molecularly we are.
Speaker 2:I know Connected to her.
Speaker 1:I feel that with EBD too.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, EBD for certain, yeah. So the end of this is basically like hey guys, you got to pull your heads out your asses and realize we are being oppressed by some crazy men, and I like, and one of them is this Cardinal Dolan Damn, or what's his name, bishop?
Speaker 2:I think it's Bishop Dolan Dolan, so the Reverend Edwin Hatch. He actually sounds like a good guy. That was actually a historical guy. They say hey, I have to admit, guys, and this is 1895, we don't really have a lot of details on these apostles, right? Right, he said Paul's life in Rome and all the rest of the history this is Dr Edwin Hatch are all enveloped in mists from which no single gleam of certain light emerges. The place and occasion of his death are not less uncertain than the facts of his later life. The chronology of the rest of Paul's life is as uncertain as the date of his death. We have no means of knowing when he was born, or how long he lived, or at what date the several events of his life took place. That was his quote. Now we're on to EBD. Exactly the same may be said of Peter. The strongest probability is that Paul and Peter were two obscure men who lived in the latter part of the first or beginning of the second century, neither of whom could have seen first century Jesus so like.
Speaker 1:Damn. Yeah, like they're like check it out. I wonder if there's been any updates legit historian updates.
Speaker 2:I hope I should check that I can.
Speaker 1:But I mean, if they're like they don't have it there, maybe something wasn't covered. I like this line where she was like as for the passages now found in the New Testament epistles of Paul concerning women's non equality Wait, concerning women's non equality with men and duty of subjection, there is no room to doubt that they are bare faced forgeries. Room to doubt that they are bare-faced forgeries interpolated by unscrupulous bishops during the early period in which a combined and determined effort was made to reduce women to silent submission, not only in the church but also in the home and in the state. I mean, you're right. I mean her entire passage in this thing she goes on to to even. I mean, she's just like ripping them up.
Speaker 2:Ripping them.
Speaker 1:Ripping on them and she's like you don't even, doesn't even.
Speaker 2:I probably should read her book because it's just like come on, people, and the fact that they've left out all the women's stuff talks about that bishop. She's like whether Bishop Doan is ignorant of this fact, about not having enough history, or whether he is merely presuming upon women's ignorance thereof. It is impossible to say, but one thing is clear, and that is that the time has arrived when all women should be informed of the true status of their sex in the ministry of primitive church. We were there, it's written.
Speaker 1:You just read it in the Acts.
Speaker 2:They were doing the works, they were hanging out, they were doing the things, they were walking with the apostles, teaching the apostles, stuff. You know it, mr Bishop, you know it Isn't that wild and that's the thing that's most concerning this. Yeah, you know, it Isn't that wild and that's the thing that's most concerning this place of love, the church. It's supposed to be a place of love and acceptance and everything is really run by yucky male tyrants.
Speaker 1:But this is why I mean, you hear it from so many different groups and I can't help it because I'm like I know white guys they're cool, but I'm like sorry dudes, but white men have a real. The only talent that they're superior at is erasing people exactly. I mean they've done it to Native Americans, African Americans.
Speaker 2:Mexicans, and they are, like, literally actively doing it right now and we're watching it happen.
Speaker 1:And it is. It's that's what they do. They're just like. We're just going to erase this part of the Smithsonian doing it right now as we sit here.
Speaker 2:yeah, erasing history, and you can't believe that someone corrupted this book, that you, right, are living your life right right, right. How can you? Where is the disconnect?
Speaker 1:it's fucking wild, I'm like okay, it does.
Speaker 2:It raises my like. I'm like you're what?
Speaker 1:It's so they are going to. I bet that's oh man. Yeah, I mean, she was everything she says in this whole. I think I could have just underlined this entire thing. Did you get this part you?
Speaker 2:didn't read this part here, where she's like the first.
Speaker 1:The first important truth for them to learn concerning the question is that there's a missing link of some 500 years between the close of that body of literature known as the Old Testament and the compilation of that collection of letters, narratives, etc. Now presented to us as the quote-unquote New Testament. Girls of Christian families are commonly inoculated in their ignorant and therefore helplessly credulous youth with unquestioning belief that the New Testament was written in the first century of our era by disciples who are contemporary with Jesus, and that Peter and Paul were first century Christians, the former of whom had personally known and followed Jesus, while the latter was a convert from Judaism after Jesus's death, never having seen the teacher himself and I'm telling you as somebody that grew up in this crap, I didn't know that, no, I didn't either.
Speaker 1:Look, I'm like. I even paused because I was like my mind's blown too and because you could still take the book. It has good, cool stories. It's got great moral lessons. Listen that story of Esther and Vashti, great, great story.
Speaker 2:Keep that.
Speaker 1:Which, by the way, well we do. Anyways, I wanted to talk about Project Esther and why it may be named after that, but we could do that a different time. Yeah, anyway Dang it Back to this. So that's why an EBD. She is an expert in this, she was a scholar and she wrote books on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, specifically about women being able to minister. So it was probably something she wanted to do.
Speaker 1:And she must have been an expert, very knowledgeable, because she was picked on for it, so otherwise they'd just be like she's just a crazy lady, right, you know? Yeah, what's the last, do you have any other? I mean, I underline a ton of stuff, but you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the gist of it.
Speaker 2:Well, I had. Oh, and they do talk about Acts, chapter 17. That's kind of creepy.
Speaker 1:Oh, they do. What do they say?
Speaker 2:It says and in Acts, chapter 17,. We are explicitly told that the Greek converts made by Paul in Greece were chief women. Honorable women, this is sufficient refutation. Is that the word? I think so, refutation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:Of the argument of the clergyman who strives to clear the character of Paul at the expense of the character of the women of Corinth. The Corinthians.
Speaker 1:Letters from Corinthians. The Greeks. There's a Corinth Mississippi.
Speaker 2:Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 1:They used to have a slug burger festival.
Speaker 2:Like with slugs?
Speaker 1:Nope, it was because they were burgers that used to be charged a nickel.
Speaker 2:Just a nickel down there in Mississippi, down there in Corinth, all you need is a little slug.
Speaker 1:That's right, just get yourself a slug burger. I love it, yeah, so anyways. So that's X, that's X, that's X. I mean, it's so good.
Speaker 2:Episode 21.
Speaker 1:Women are good. We're in the ministry, guys, I know, but we're not, but we're not, but we are not and we're just sliding back.
Speaker 2:We're sliding back, I mean not without a fight, I mean we.
Speaker 1:They're pushing us. Everybody remember this. We're not sliding. We are actually not sliding back. Public discourse has slid back. Okay, that doesn't mean that women have.
Speaker 2:No, we are sovereign, yeah, we are ungovernable.
Speaker 1:We are Xena warrior, princess. No, I don't know what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:We shall overcome that's right and find our rightful place at the head of the table.
Speaker 1:That's right. Find our at the round table. Oh, we don't need to be at the head. I love a round table. That's right. Find our at the round table. Oh, we don't need to be at the head.
Speaker 2:I love a round table. Okay, there is nothing better than gathering in a circle, I know.
Speaker 1:I know Kumbaya girl or next episode. I always say next week we're going to make it. So next episode we will be Epistling, epistling.
Speaker 2:We're going to be epistling. That's a very poppy thing, sorry, we're going to epistle, so epistles Romans and Corinthians.
Speaker 1:That's what we're going through next week hey.
Speaker 2:Romans and Greeks. Romans and Corinthians. I love it.
Speaker 1:Romans and Greeks, let's do it up. So we're doing that. I hope that we sparked either through the screenshot call out.
Speaker 2:That was a good one.
Speaker 1:The screenshot call out that was a good one. Wasn't that a good?
Speaker 2:one I really want to see. I'm so curious. Please send us your screenshot.
Speaker 1:Yes, those are gold. Those are gold, or you can just tell us what they were. Yeah, I mean because maybe it's like yeah, maybe you don't want to send us that.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's private.
Speaker 1:Get your exif data off first. You know what I'm saying. We're going to be doing that. Please reach out to us. Please share this with everybody. You know, we truly don't know how much longer we'll be able to do this, yeah yeah. Because I don't know we may be in work camps soon.
Speaker 2:It's true, who knows? I know we definitely. I don't think we can be in the birthing thing but maybe we'll have to be the midwives.
Speaker 1:That would be a miracle. They do not want me to be a midwife Actually, I'd be great, right, yeah, all right, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2:Breathe through it. Breathe through it. Give me a baby. I'll be like get her a cold Coca-Cola. She looks sweaty. Get her a Coke. Get her a Coke. Get her a Coke A little bit of nicotine.
Speaker 1:They'll get that baby out. You just got to get relaxed. I'll be like. I feel like she could use a nicotine patch. We'll get that baby out.
Speaker 2:I'd hire you. You're hired, thank you. Thank you as long as you speak in southern draws.
Speaker 1:Yes, it makes everything better, it really does I slip into it sometimes because I miss being in Tennessee a bit.
Speaker 2:I would like that, yeah, tennessee.
Speaker 1:It's beautiful.
Speaker 2:I feel like you could say the most hateful thing and it would just still feel good in the soul.
Speaker 1:What in southern accent?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah just like you're insulting me, but I like it. Okay, so we said all that Like you're insulting me, but I like it. Okay. So we said all that.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for listening. Like us, share us. Like us, share us. And this week, remember you are sovereign. Yes, Thank you.
